Real coin, fake NGC slab.

Sorry Jack, but your comment seems ill-timed. You probably should've stepped in with @medoraman 's negative response to me, which provided nothing but a pat on the back to your generation simply for being born in a different era. Instead, you gave it a like and carried on. I've made my point and clearly medoraman got the message, as he gave up pretending he wasn't presuming younger generations incapable of grading, and turned purely towards personal attacks.

@Razz thanks, I know what it means; I guess you couldn't tell that I was using sarcasm. It's "the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence" -Oscar Wilde

 

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The distraction is gone; never used this but it has worked well for this post.

 

Still wondering if the fake slab is sonically welded....

 

My apologies for any errors on my part @JCro57 for derailing your fine post here. It was not warranted to be posted on your important thread.

 

Actually, I'm not sure really

 

Awful fake slab. That one the font wrong and of course the coin doesn’t compare to the grade. And yes I can grade coins. I buy a lot of raw coins to submit for grading

 

Same here. Why I didn’t get involved with the ct secret Santa. I finally had enough this summer

 

Same here, just today.

 

So, um... what's that partially-removed sticker on the back? It appears to compare the value of the coin at 64 (possibly an accurate grade) to the value at 66+.

Is this some sort of promotional piece for fake slabs?

 

I was just wondering the same thing about that sticker.

 

I think it was to help the initial fraudster keep track. It was also super-glued on, possibly to hide a bad NGC reverse hologram. In the process of totally removing it now

 

I don't understand this post. Maybe i am missing something...

 

I caught that, but my comment was for the yanks that may not have caught the underlying meaning of what was being "said".

 

I know many people will disagree, but I honestly think the hobby was better off before people used the TPG's as a crutch to figure out how good a coin was instead of learning to judge that properly themselves. It's a lot harder to be successfully lied to if you learn to recognize the truth on your own. I'm certainly not calling myself an expert on grading, but I'd never take anyone else's word on how good a coin is. Not even the TPG's. Especially since even they can be mistaken, inconsistent on their own opinions, or grade based on marketability instead of technical merit, or in the case of the OP's slab, be flat out faked.

I know it's a battle I'm never going to win though. I've learned to live with that. But I've never been one to form my opinions based on how many people agree with me.

"Buy the coin, not the slab" is perfectly reasonable advice though. So is "coveat emptor" (may the buyer beware). I'll risk sounding like an elitist for saying so. But I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with suggesting that people should educate themselves on what they spend their money on before making a purchase. To me that's just common sense, not elitism.

 

Please understand that the elitist comment had nothing to do with telling people to buy the coin not the slab. I fully support this statement. People should learn to grade before buying coins. That makes total sense.

My elitist comment was in reference to the unfounded claim that people who started collecting before TPGs "truly learned how to grade", and also that hardly anyone knows how to grade today. It's an attempt at virtue signaling by saying "only we know how to grade, everyone else is stupid". Medoraman said collectors today cannot even grade anymore and said it's really sad. I called him out on it, and he changed his tune, rightfully so.

I think the problem is that folks think somehow just because slabs exist, that people who would beforehand have cared to learn will suddenly be lazy. There's also the belief that somehow because there weren't slabs before, the lazy people bothered to learn about grading. There have always been, and will always be, people who care and learn, and people who choose not to. The fact that slabs exist doesn't change this. People who bemoan slabs as ruining numismatics, or outright claim collectors today can't grade, but swear their generation had it right, are discounting and turning up their nose at their fellow collectors.

 

Such a same the TPGs happened have made it harder to scam collectors right?

If someone doesn't realize they were taken/lied to were they?

Then how could you ever actually learn? You'd never take anyone's word over your own so how would that work?

 

There were more than just this one, correct @JCro57?

 

Yeah. 5 from what i saw.

 

If you don't mind @JCro57 I can post the images here...

 

Yes, if you don't mind, they are important I believe. I saw the sticker as well, but didn't understand it. It makes sense it would advertise making these, showing how much profit you can make from swindling coin collectors.

It is important if you have others, as this would change the perception that this could be just a one off, versus this could be part of a "kit" or systematic procedure to make others like it. "Do it yourself fake slabbing" as it were.