Caecilius Metellus Pius Elephant Denarius

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  1. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    This was a coin that I purchased to crave my hunger for an elephant denarius Earlier in the year. Although it is not the well known most wanted JC elephant denarius I do enjoy this coin and it’s toning. Post any denarii or elephant ancients you have! 1E7E450F-E326-4371-8F42-DA14653B1CC6.jpeg 22B97768-1764-46C6-993C-BD33D821E847.jpeg
     
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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Lovely toning on that one, @NLL ! Here's an elephant:

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    Philip I, AD 244-249.
    Roman AR Antoninianus, 3.73 g, 22.4 mm, 7 h.
    Rome, AD 247.
    Obv: IMP PHILIPPVS AVG, radiate and draped bust, right.
    Rev: AETERNITAS AVGG, elephant guided by mahout with goad and wand, walking left.
    Refs: RIC 58; Cohen 17; RCV 8921; Hunter 31.
     
  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I like you Caecilius and want one myself!

    Here is my JC Pachyderm, and another from Etruria (people whom were the first Kings of Rome)

    JC PACHYDERM
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    RR Julius Caesar AR Denarius 49 BCE Traveling Mint Elephant-Pontificates Sear 1399 Craw 443-1


    ETRURIA
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    Etruria
    3rd C BCE
    AE Quartuncia 18mm 4.76g
    Head of African r
    Elephant r letter below, bell under neck
    SNG COP 48 HNI 69 SNG Paris 138-140 SNG Morcom 44 R
     
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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That is a good looking elephant!
    FFIVN and I have 2 elephants in our collection:

    Julius Caesar
    49-48 BC
    AR Denarius
    Obverse: CAESAR in exergue, elephant right, trampling on serpent
    Reverse: Simpulum, sprinkler, axe and priest's hat
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    Apollodotos I.
    c174-165 BC.
    AR Drachm of Indian weight standard.
    Obverse: Elephant standing right; monogram below
    Reverse: Zebu bull standing right; monogram below
    Apollodotus I (Apollodotos I) square Silver drachm, ElephantBull type 174-165 BCE.jpg
     
  6. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Is that an oliphant from the Battle of Minas Tirith?
     
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  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  8. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Lovely coin!...The depiction of the stork is nice aswell!...
    Here's my ele with a lion .
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    Shahis of Ohind AE Jital of Vakka Deva around 870 AD 18mm and 1.9 grams.
    Obv. Elephant facing left with the name "Sri Vakka Deva" above in Nagari.
    Rev. Lion to the right with gaping mouth, tongue out and one front paw raised. Diamond symbol in the rump.
     
  9. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    That’s a mighty fine pachyderm, @NLL !

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  10. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Note the bell under its head
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Yeah, short attribution, I left off the Bell.



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    ETRURIA, Arretium (?). The Chiana Valley. Circa 208-207 BC. Æ Quartunica . Head of African right; monogram to left / Indian elephant standing right, bell around neck; monogram below. HN Italy 69; SNG ANS 41 (same obv. die); SNG Copenhagen 48 var. (no monogram on obv.). rare.

    This enigmatic issue has been much discussed. It was Sestini in 1816 who first indicated their area of circulation in and around the Chiana (Clanis) valley and lake Trasimeno, dominated by the cities of Arezzo, Chiusi and Cortona. The traditional attribution of the issue to 217 BC, as representing the propaganda of Hannibal’s approach to Etruria, was modified by Robinson (op. cit.), who saw it as a provocative seditious type of Arretium, which was in a state of high tension with Rome in 209/8, in the hoped for arrival of Hasdrubal from Spain with reinforcements. However, the reverse depicts an Indian rather than African elephant with a bell around its neck reminiscent of the elephant/saw aes signatum issue (Crawford 9/1) of about 250-240 BC and associated with the battle of Maleventum (soon to be called Beneventum) in 275 BC when the captured elephants of Pyrrhus were brought to Rome in triumph. A similar Indian elephant is also depicted as a symbol on the Tarantine nomos issue (Vlasto 710-712), indicating the presence of Pyrrhus in the city in 282-276. The Barcid coinage of New Carthage (Villaronga CNH, pg. 65, 12-15) and that of Hannibal in Sicily (SNG Cop. 382) clearly depict African elephants belonging to the elephant corps from about 220 BC. As Maria Baglione points out in "Su alcune parallele di bronzo coniato," Atti Napoli 1975, pg.153-180, the African/elephant issue shares control marks with other cast and struck Etruscan coins of the region, she quotes Panvini Rosati in ‘ Annuario dell’accademia Etrusca di Cortona XII’, 1964, pg. 167ff., who suggests the type is to be seen as a moneyer’s badge or commemorative issue in the style of Caesar’s elephant/sacrificial implements issue of 49/48 BC (Crawford 443/1). The elephant, an attribute of Mercury/Turms, is an emblem of wisdom and is also a symbol of strength and of the overcoming of evil
     
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  12. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    Great coin @NLL. Below is my JC elephant denarius. Hopefully you will be able to add a JC elephant to your collection one day.

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  13. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Nice coin, @NLL ! I love pretty much all pachyderms and the coins depicting them.

    The Q. Caecilius Metellus denarius is especially interesting insofar as according to a very sensible interpretation proposed by @Severus Alexander , Caesar's better known elephant denarius constitutes a reference to this coin and its iconography. My example is from the last AMCC auction.

    Römische Republik – Denar, Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius, Pietas Elefant.jpg
    Roman Republic, imperatorial issue of Q. Caecilius Metellus Pius, AR denarius, 81 BC, Northern Italian mint. Obv: diademed head of Pietas r.; to right, stork standing r. Rev: Q C M P I; elephant standing l., wearing bell around neck. 17mm, 3.55g. Ref: RRC 374/1. Ex JB collection; ex AMCC 2, lot 105 (their picture).

    Here is my Julius Caesar elephant. Note the many banker's marks. I've seen quite a number of fourrée elephant denarii on the market, indicating that the type was heavily forged. Maybe this explains the heavy testing on my example?

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    Roman Republic, Imperatorial Coinage, Julius Caesar, AR denarius, 49–48 BC, military mint moving with Caesar. Obv: [CA]ESAR; elephant walking r., trampling snake. Rev: priestly implements: culullus, aspergillum, axe, apex. 20mm, 3.70g. Ref: RRC 443/1.

    An Indian elephant. I have a little theory on the production of these karshapanas. It seems that the dies used to strike them were cast (or maybe struck?), showing the basic design. Details and legends apparently were added to the cast die by engraving. The obverse of this example shows the difference between cast elements (elephant's body, head, and trunk) and engraved elements (legend, elephant's eye, ear, leash?, lip, and tusk) quite clearly:

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    Satavahana Empire, later Satakarni ruler, BI karshapana, ca. 107–248 AD, minted in northern Deccan region. Obv: elephant with raised trunk r., remains of legend. Rev: dynastic symbol. 17mm, 2.58g. Ref: see Mitchiner 4963–4967 (different legends).
     
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  15. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    III Faustina Sr 1113 carpentum.jpg

    Two elephants; Faustina Sr Diva in carpentum.
     
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  16. Archeocultura

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    Elephant with free hole. RIC 862d III Antoninus Pius 0862d Munificentia elephant 7-837 cleaned.jpg
     
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    TITUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: IMP TITVS CAES VESPASIAN AVG P M, laureate head right
    REVERSE: TRP IX IMP XV COS VIII PP, elephant walking left
    Struck at Rome, 80 AD
    2.5g, 17mm
    RIC 115
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    SEPTIMIUS SEVERUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: L SEPT SEV PERT AVG IMP VIIII, laureate head right
    REVERSE: MVNIFICENTIA AVG, Elephant wearing cuirass walking right
    Struck at Rome, 196 197 AD
    3.63g, 17mm
    RIC 100, RSC 349
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    PHILIP I
    AE Sestertius
    OBVERSE: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, laureate and draped bust right
    REVERSE: AETERNITAS AVGG, elephant and driver walking left, SC in ex.
    Struck at Rome, 247-8 AD
    20.6g, 28mm
    RIC 161a
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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    Baktria Apollodotos I 180-160 BCE Square AR Drachm 20mm 2.4g Elephant Zebu SNG ANS 324-327
    Ex: @Sallent
     
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