1883 Shield Nickel - RPD?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by KSorbo, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I purchased this coin about 20 years ago. It was advertised as a double die but I didn’t pay any variety premium. Is this a recognized variety or just machine doubling? If it is a variety, is it worth a premium? Note what appears to be doubling on the date in particular. Also the devices above the date look doubled.

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  3. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    Sure looks like the tops of the 8s & 3 are wider than the bottoms. I would guess machine doubling.
     
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  4. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

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  5. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    What visual attributes best explain the difference? I’m not a die variety collector and am not experienced in telling them apart?
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    There is a valuable 1883 3 over 2 variety. (I don't see the 2.)
    IDK if there is an 1883 RPD.
    Although a shield nickel in mint state is pretty awesome all by itself.
     
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  7. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Sorry about replying to myself.
    Is there other reverse doubling?
    Perhaps a clear photo of IN GOD WE TRUST.
     
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  8. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Perhaps @Paddy54 might like to weigh in on this one?
     
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  9. riff

    riff I ain't got time to bleed

    You see how the 'doubling' cuts into the devices making them look smaller at the bottom like I mentioned? And how the 'doubled' area is so flat? That is your dead give away. Die Doubling will usually thicken the devices(other than just flattening does).
     
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  10. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    This might help: http://shieldnickels.net/
     
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  11. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    It's not just the date but shows on many of the devices.
     
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    riff I ain't got time to bleed

  13. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Here’s a better photo of the reverse. There doesn’t appear to be doubling.

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  14. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Yes my mistake. I meant the lettering IN GOD WE TRUST on the obverse.
    Sorry.
     
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  15. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

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  16. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The motto is a combination of Longacre doubling and crumbling of the die around the lettering not a DDO.

    The key that the lower part is showing Machine doubling is that the lower portion of the shield and the date both show the same doubling in the same direction and magnitude. But the date is punched into the die separately so if it was a DDO the date and shield would almost certainly show different doubling since the doubling would occur at different stages in the die production, and by different methods.
     
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  17. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    Thanks everyone for the helpful input! Merry Christmas!
     
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