Like father , like sons.

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  1. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    The 3 coins I won from AMCC 2 just arrived today. They have been lost in the mail and I thought they’ll never show up again... I’m happy because they will be an upgrade in my collection of three emperors belonging to the same weird family...
    Carus was proclaimed emperor by the soldiers after the assassination of Probus in a putsch. He immediately named his 2 sons Carinus and Numerian caesars. After only 12 month of reign (282-283 AD), he was supposedly struck by lightning while he was in his tent...though some suggest one of his officers killed him in his sleep. If he was still alive, Roy Sullivan would say that Carus died because of a lighting storm !
    Carinus, his older son and Numerian his brother became co-emperor at this moment. Carinus was a real Casanova; he reportedly managed to wed and divorce nine separate women during his short rule in Rome. He was later assassinated by a tribune whose wife he had seduced. His reign only lasted 2 years. Numerian only wear the purple for 1 1/2 year. While campaigning in Syria, he felt sick and had to travel in a closed litter. A few days later, some soldiers started to smell a distinctive odour of decay coming from the coach, and the dead body of the emperor was discovered...but some believe that he was actually poisoned. What a family my friends ! All 3 coins are ex @dougsmit collection. Am I developing a little emotional dependency ??? I’m planning to change my avatar name to :
    Ocatarinetabellatchitsmith. What do you think of the idea ?
    Please show us your coins of this short dynasty ( or a coin once lost in the mail which finally showed up)

    Carus
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    Carinus
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    Numerian
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  3. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I am glad your beautifull coins arrived safe:happy:
     
  4. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Thanks @panzerman . “Lost” between Kelowna BC and Montreal QC ! I couldn’t believe it...
     
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  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I'm gonna channel Stevex6 here...

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    :D

    Nice haul, Ocat! Glad they made it safe and sound :)
     
  6. CoinBlazer

    CoinBlazer Numismatic Enthusiast

    Ocatarinetabellatchitcoinblazer has a much better ring to it, don't you agree?
     
  7. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    There is a lot of territory between Kelowna and Montreal/ six Provinces. I had a registered letter (inside FDC Trajan Decius Aureus) go MIA between Lancaster/ PA and Ottawa/Ont. small distance. Still remains unsolved:( That was the only one ever...Thank God! Gotta wonder, how that could happen/ why was the tracking/ signing not investigated? Customs? coverup????;)
    John
     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Carus:

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    Carinus:

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    Numerianus:

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    numerian2.jpg

    The last one is a bit pinkish (I had the lava lamp on).

    The rumor is that Carus had beaten the Persians so decisively that he decided to expand the borders of the empire to India, following in the footsteps of Alexander. Unfortunately the lightning bolt (perhaps Jove's fury?) caught up with him.
     
  9. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Yes absolutely but it will exceed the maximum number of letters (25) for the avatar name !
     
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  10. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    The following billon reveals both Carinus and Carus, with Victory between them. It was struck in Antioch. RIC 206 B.

    Carin billon    ric 206b.JPG CarinBill ANT  carn+carus.JPG
     
  11. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Nice and interesting coin @7Calbrey . Mine is a RIC 323 from Cyzicus, but the description says “ Carinus receiving Victory from Carus or Jupiter”. I find it hard to see the difference between the 2 stickmen...
     
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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I am happy the coins found their way to a home where they can be appreciated. This dynasty is not one that had become a specialty of mine so I was more free in letting go of what seemed to be extras. Below are nine I am keeping.
    Carus
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    Divus Carus
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    Numerian
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    Carinus
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  13. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    Great new additions, O. I have this one of Carus, but I don’t have any of his kids yet, hope to add those soon.

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    Carus, Antoninianus, (23 mm, 4.15 g), 283, Lugdunum, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carus to Right/ Rev., Pax standing front, holding branch in her right hand and long transverse scepter with her left, B in left field. RIC 13

    @dougsmit I love the last Numerian you posted, I’ve never seen that portrait style of him before. Looks like he went to Trajan’s barber. :)
     
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  14. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    I understand why you are keeping these examples.Very appealing coins. I noticed you still have some “AVGGG” specimens. It reminded me the article you wrote about them years ago. I’m putting the link here for those who missed it :
    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/feac17.html
     
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  15. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Nice to hear you had a happy ending:"Found in the mail!". Here's a coin of the pater familias:
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    Marcus Aurelius Carus, AD 282–283, Antoninianus, Siscia minted 282
    Obv: IMP C M AVR CARVS P F AVG Radiate and draped bust right
    Rev: RESTITVT OR-BIS Female standing right, presenting wreath to emperor standing left, holding globe in right hand and spear or sceptre in left; below, star and P, in exergue, XXI
    Ref: RIC 106
     
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  16. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Great haul! Coingrats!!!
    Don't forget the sad little emperor that never was:
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    Nigrinian
    DIVO NIGRINIANO AE AntoninianCONSECRATIO Reverse: Eagle Very Rare
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Super captures, @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix !

    Stick to your present name... it is bizzarro enough!

    Carus

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    RI Carus 282-283 CE AE 18mm Consecratio Flaming Alter


    Carinus

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    RI Carinus 282-285 CE BI Potin Tet 19mm 8.1g Alexandria Egypt 19mm Athena Seated holding Nike


    Numerian

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    RI Numerian 283-284 CE AE Ant Stndg receiving Victory
     
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  18. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Wow! Glad they showed up in the mail, @Ocatarinetabellatchitchix ! Here are some of my coins from this mini-dynasty:

    Carus:

    Carus VIRTVS AVGG Antoninianus.jpg

    Carinus:

    Carinus SAECVLI FELICITAS Antoninianus Lyons.jpg

    Numerian:

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  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Wow, congrats on scoring that ex Doug Carus & Sons set.

    Ambitious dynasty founder incinerated by divine lightning.... eldest son and successor murdered by his own officer for seducing his wife... amiable younger son with a penchant for poetry found dead in his own carriage... the saturnine praetorian prefect waiting in the wings to emerge as mastermind of the Tetrarchy. Sounds like it could make for a pretty decent TV series!
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    DIVUS CARUS
    AE Antoninianus. 3.54g, 22.6mm. Rome mint, AD 283. RIC 47; Cohen 15. O: DIVO CARO, radiate head right. R: CONSECRATIO, Eagle standing facing, head left; KAA in exergue.
    Ex Old Sable Collection; ex Rauch 87 (2010), lot 816

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    NUMERIAN
    AE Antoninianus. 3.58g, 22.4mm. Rome mint, 6th officina. 5th emission, 2nd phase, September AD 283 - January 284. RIC 423. O: IMP NVMERIANVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right. R: VNDIQVE VICTORES ('Victories Everywhere!'), Numerian standing facing, head left, holding globe and scepter; KAς in exergue.
     
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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice to hear you got them all safe and sound @Ocat !

    Carus :

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    Carus, Antoninianus - Lyon mint (Lugdunum), 4th officina, AD 282
    IMP C M AVR CARVS P F AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    SALVS AVG, Salus standing right, feeding a snake. D in left field
    3.78 gr
    Ref : Cohen # 74, RIC # 16, Bastien # 464, RCV -


    Divus Carus :

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    Carus, Posthumous antoninianus - Lugdunum mint, 2nd officina, AD 284-285
    DIVO CARO PIO, Radiate head of Carus right
    CONSECRATIO, Eagle facing, II at exergue
    3.50 gr
    Ref : Cohen #18, RCV #12394


    Numerianus :

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    Numerianus, Antoninianus - Ticinium mint, 5th officina, 2nd emission, Dec 282 AD
    M AVR NVMERIANVS NOB C, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Numerianus, seen from behind
    PRINCIPI IVVENTUT, Prince of youth standing left, holding baton and sceptre. VXXI at exergue
    3,35 gr, 23 mm
    Ref : RCV #12219, Cohen #76, RIC vol V #366


    Carinus :

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    Carinus, Antoninianus - Rome mint, 2nd officina, 5th emission, Nov 284 AD
    IMP CARINVS PF AVG, Radiate and cuirassed bust of Carinus right
    IOVI VI - CTORI, Jupiter standing left, holding victory and sceptre. Eagle at feet. KAB at exergue
    4,25 gr, 22 mm
    Ref : RCV #12348, Cohen #45, RIC vol V #257

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