1909-s indian head penny

I got this for a good price.
I'll get it graded to find out how good!
I'd say AU55(?)BN

 

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VF-35 is what I see on this end.
https://www.pcgs.com/Photograde/#/Indian/Grades

 

VF-35 looks about right....as @alurid said

 

VF and not worth grading. Save your money and buy the kids something for the holidays.......

 

thanks. true, but they might grade higher because it's so rare? sometimes numbers matter.

oh, ok...lol

 

even so, double (minimum) what I paid is worth grading. the first pics didnt do the penny justice. using smart phones to take extreme close ups does a disservice. pixels are auto filled etc...

 

Good Lord,I just checked......you are correct. Still, the rims on the reverse look worn and damaged to these old eyes. They might give it a details grade......

 

I think I'll give it a shot.

 

Considering the date/MM I'd say it's valuable enough to give a shot at grading. If you don't want to have it slabbed that's really up to you.

Also keep in mind that rarity itself doesn't really play a part in determining grade. A 1909 S VDB will grade the same as a 1958 D so long as they have the same amount of wear/problems.

Though depending on the metal some coins may grade higher than others. Gold coins are generally given higher grades than silver coins (A $2.5 Liberty queagle might grade MS66 when it would have been MS65 in silver).

 

Nice buy and sounds like it may be worth the costs to grade it. Best wishes.

 

I would worry about the damage on the reverse, especially the shield, causing a detail grade. Jim

 

Im just going by what I've observed regarding grading. I have watched several videos from the "experts" who questioned grading of very rare vs common coins, and suggested that rarity may play a factor. Ultimately, it's supposed to be an objective, not subjective, process but it doesnt seem to be the case with some coins receiving grades that make you scratch your head.

 

No. They shouldn't. Doing so diminishes the grades applied to similar coins. I agree with our fellow enthusiasts. VF grade coin. This is an AU58 specimen (sorry, only the obverse on my phone).

 

I’m in the high vf camp myself. Surfaces look a bit off in the pics and the reverse a little rough. I’d want to see in hand to determine whether worth sending in or not

 

ok. even at vd its still worth sending.

Sorry Charlie yours is not much different, other than yours has a gouge next to the "o". I dont know why you are arguing with me "no. They shouldnt"? Can you understand that grading varies? ...and i have NOTHING to do with it?
Its $400 even if only vf35. ...but i guess i should just throw in the garbage? Lol

 

Yes. That is a concern. Thanks

 

My comment was specific to grading differently because the subject coin is a more desired coin. Grading should be independent of rarity/desirability. It should merely depend on the subject item's condition specifically. While there is variation in any process (including grading subjectivity), adjusting that because of rarity/interest diminishes the value of the grade assigned on any coin because of bias/tampering.

I made no comment regarding whether or not you should get it graded by a third party. That's up to you.

 

I wouldn't count on that. I find that often key dates are given a grade bump, or the "benefit of the doubt" at the services. I've seen 16 D dimes with no rev rims and obv rims starting to touch the lettering graded as Fine.

 

I was just getting ready to chime in about the 1916-D dimes. The grades I've seen assigned to slabbed examples seem absolutely ridiculous.

 

Couldn’t agree more. The most overrated and overgraded coin of the 20th c