NCS Conservation of the Month (June 08)

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  1. DJCoinz

    DJCoinz Majored in Morganology

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  3. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It was ugly before, and I'm not sure I like it a whole lot more after.
     
  4. wrucmike

    wrucmike Who's the Man?

    I think it's a nice improvement
     
  5. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    Wonder if they mentioned the cleaning on the slab?
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    NO!
    I have never seen a NGC graded coin say that its contents have been cleaned
     
  7. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    Wonder what grade NGC assigned the coin. Doesn't look uncirculated.
     
  8. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    ... and you never will.

    If they had called it cleaned, they would have put it in an NCS slab.
     
  9. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Personally, I would have called it VF details, cleaned, net F15
     
  10. rhoggman

    rhoggman New Member

    Chikity China, The Chinese Chicken

    I think this is the area where the nuance between cleaning, and conservation is defined.

    layman's definition:

    Conservation seems to mean revealing the coin behind the gunk without damaging the coin, whereas cleaning seems to mean removing or altering the material of the coin itself while trying to remove the gunk.
     
  11. rhoggman

    rhoggman New Member

    Keep in mind conservation should show no actual evidence of "cleaning"; much the same as proper dipping is not considered "cleaning".

    The thing that makes it obvious with this coin is the new bright white color. This same attribute has not made hundreds of thousands of Morgans net graded down from MS to AU, or AU to EF.

    I think these types of "conservation" efforts should not be left solely to NCS for profit. Everyone should have clearly defined boundaries set forth from the TPG's as to what cleaning and conservation are.

    The subject of conservation should be more widely taught as maybe people would then quit trying to clean(ruin) coins.
     
  12. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    I like what NCS has done to the coin
     
  13. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    1) Do you happen to have any to sell?

    2) What exactly is your thought process behind calling this coin a "VF"?
     
  14. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    he is going to sell me first:D so get in line
     
  15. rzage

    rzage What Goes Around Comes Around .

    Definately an improvement .
    rzage
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Nobody, not even ANACS, has ever mentioned cleaning on any slab. They only mention improper cleaning on the slab.

    So regardless of whether you call it conservation or cleaning - cleaning is still quite different from improper cleaning.
     
  17. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    We've been down this NCS road a few times before. ;) I agree with you though, they (TPGs) never mention "proper cleaning" only "improper cleaning."

    Take Care
    Ben
     
  18. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    except DLRC :D
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, they've got a ways to go yet - still too new. I don't even count them yet.
     
  20. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    new or not their slab has the big words lightly cleaned in red on them. i personally think they will abandon this practice soon or fold up
     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I think it would have graded with NGC before the conserving as well.
     
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