Chinese cash coin improperly cut hole

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  1. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    The hole on this Chinese cash coin doesn't line up with where it should be. Is this uncommon? Any extra value for it? chinese cash coin weird hole.jpg
     
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Ha! I've never seen that before. No idea if it adds extra value or not. I would assume that their QC was less than stellar and things like this slipped through fairly often. Cool piece.
     
  4. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    I've heard cash coins like this (with misaligned hole) called "rosette" cash (I guess the overlay of where the hole should be plus the actual hole looks kind of like a flower?). I have a few pieces like that (all cast cash) and don't remember it adding much, if any, value to the coin. But I haven't seen it on a struck cash coin, so maybe that's rarer? Probably still not much extra value, unless you can get crossover from error collectors.
     
  5. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Never seen this either on a machine struck cash coin. I'm sure it adds value, even if just as a curiosity.
     
  6. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    Can anyone identify this for me? These are not an area of expertise for me. I bought about 6 or 7 cash coins out of a junk bin on my most recent coin shop visit.
     
  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  8. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    I frequently see these with holes that don't line up properly to some degree. I have one that is close and this one that is slightly off but not by as much as yours...

    China Kwangtung Cash 1890 1908 Y190 obv B.jpg
    China Kwangtung Cash 1890 1908 Y190 rev B.jpg
     
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  9. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

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  10. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    It is a one cash. The KM Standard Catalog lists it (with the RS Yeomen Y-190) from the period from 1890 - 1908, mintage a bit over one billion. Numista only has a date range from 1890 - 1899.

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6817.html
     
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  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    @Muzyck has you covered :)
    Sorry I didn’t get ya all the info. On my phone and it was hard enough copy/pasting the link lol.
     
  12. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    No problem. You're doing me a favor after all.
     
  13. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I remembered that I had one. From memory, minor rotation of this particular type is somewhat common but when it is off by 20+ degrees, it definitely isn't.

    This is mine

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  14. TuckHard

    TuckHard Well-Known Member

    These are definitely the most rotated milled cash I've seen. Here is the most rotated example that I have; no where near as off as the above examples.
    1895-1899 AD Cash Guang Xu Tong Bao Boo Guang (Guangzhou Mint) H#22.1335 2.64g Combined.jpg
    China - Qing Dynasty
    1895-1899 AD - AE Cash
    Guang Xu Tong Bao - Boo Guang (Guangzhou Mint)
    Hartill#22.1335​
     
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  15. Muzyck

    Muzyck Rabbits!

    Another one from a lot I opened up tonight

    S20191227_0017.jpg
    S20191227_0023.jpg
     
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  16. mlov43

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    Wow! Holy rotatedness!
     
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  17. KRISTINE VILLERS

    KRISTINE VILLERS New Member

    I have 2 of these, what is the US dollar worth and how do I market them
     
  18. KRISTINE VILLERS

    KRISTINE VILLERS New Member

    I have 2 China 1890-1899 Kwangtung Guang xu Yongbao Y-190 what's the value and I would like to Market them
     
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  20. mrbreeze

    mrbreeze Well-Known Member

    The misaligned holes for these are not super rare and most of these have minimal value. I think I have seen more misaligned squares for the struck coins vs the cast coins and in my head, that makes sense. For the machine struck cash, I assume the squares were punched out after striking (based on the fact that I have seen pattern cash with no central hole). My only thought for the cast coins is that perhaps metal flowed into the square area during casting and a mint worker had to remove or pop out the central hole.

    Also, the “rosette” coins are not misaligned holes. The best way to explain what a “rosette” cash looks like is to think of a regular square hole in the coin with a another square punched after being rotated 45 degrees. I sort of think of it as a Star of David with squares instead of triangles. There is some belief that this was intentional for those coins and had some meaning. Who knows?
     
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