1909-s vdb

Problem is not with PCI.. Although I have had coins poorly graded by them and some good ones. The point is it is my understanding PCI is out of business. Unlike PCGS, NGC and ANACS it is hard to collect from a defunct company. The major three graders offer money back if their graded coins are not authenticated. I also agree a coin must be purchased upon its own merits, but it never hurts to get a third opinion when purchasing high price coins.

 

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Thanks guys. I was also wondering what your opinions are of a Lincoln that has strong eye appeal. I know this is a subjective area, but IYHO(in your humble opinion), what qualities should a Lincoln have to be appealing. Striking detail? Uniform color? Crazy woodgrain effects? rainbow tones? Maybe someone could post some pictures?

 

IMHO to have great eye appeal it should have a great strike and a nice even color.

Speedy

 

Here is my 1914-D I bought back I guess 2 years ago. It's graded F-12 by the old, old ANACS.

Eye appeal will change for me if the coin is circulated or UNC. In my last post I should have said that those standered were for circulated coins. This has a nice strike, and a nice brown color.

When talking about a UNC coin---my thoughts on eye appeal is that there shouldn't be any carbon spots, a really nice strike (whatever it might be for that date/mint), a solid color, and must not have any nicks, or dings in what I call HOT areas.

Speedy

 

Thanks Speedy! and very nice 14-d for the grade IMO.

Here is an "almost" nice 1909-s vdb on the bay......
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-PENNY-VDB-PCGS-AU50-LINCOLN-WHEAT-PENNY_W0QQitemZ310062484216QQihZ021QQcategoryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
but once again, there is a very obvious pvc/corrosion spot. Do you think PCGS missed it? or did it come about inside the slab?

and another, with green spots on reverse
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-PCGS...ryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

am I seeing things? sorry to drag this issue on , but a significant amount of slabbed svdbs I've been seeing have these.......sigh. Maybe I have a disease called, "svdb paranoia".

 

On the last coin....I would want to see better/closer pic's before I would bid.
On the first one---yes it does look like it may have been missed by PCGS. I don't know if you saw my thread in the US Coin Forum....I bought a rare nickel variety and when I got it in hand I found PVC on it. I sent the coin back to PCGS for a review and PVC removal. I just got it back and it is gone and looks fine. While it did cost me about $25 to send it out that might be something you could do as well.
I'm not sure if PCGS will do that for copper coins so you would need to call them and tell them that you are looking at a 1909-S VDB in a PCGS slab that shows very clearly PVC on the front of the coin, and if you were the winner...what would they do.

Speedy

 

Eye appeal to me comes down to a number of things with Lincoln Cents:

Strike
LUSTER
Color (sometimes I'll prefer a B cent over a R, depends on the coin)
Rims (weird, I know, I love rims though)
And date and mint

Basically, in that order it is for me, might be a few I'm missing.

Phoenix

 

Speedy,

Yes, I had considered doing that when I purchased my other svdb. The thing is though, what would they do if the PVC had already damaged the coin? NGC has a very limited guarantee on copper coins. It was a hard decision to send it back, but I did. Here is a picture of the coin(the PVC is hidden below Lincoln's bust in the shadow on the obverse).

Sending it back felt like I was giving up my child for adoption....lol. Great coin otherwise.

 

My eyes aren't what they could be....but I don't see the PVC.
You would just have to call and ask them what would be done. PCGS buys the coin for the fair market price if they can't remove the problem safely.

Speedy

 

Well that is good to know about PCGS. Maybe I am safer with them, since NGC's guarantee has all kinds of caveats for copper coins.

Also, the PVC is not visible on the pictures I posted, but it is clear in hand. Those were the ones for the actual auction. It is hidden in the shadow below Lincoln's bust.

 

BTW, you guys don't know how much I appreciate all of your inputs. I'm going to list a few Lincolns and I want to know which ones you would say has the most eye appeal(not taking grade or slab into consideration).

1)This one I really like. It has some unique woodgrain effects that I find appealing; but I dont know if they would hurt or help the market appeal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-1-C-...VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247

2) This one is nice too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/C-USA-1909-S-VD...ryZ11944QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

3) I like the color of this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-s-vdb-Linc...ryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

4) This one looks cool as well. Nice eye appeal imo
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-Linc...ryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

5) interesting woodgrain effects on this one too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-LINC...ryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These are all ones I would consider purchasing at the right price. Wide range of grades, but eye appeal is more important to me.

 

I personally like most wood grain effects. I have a whole album of them at my profile. That being said, I believe that you will find that most woodies will hurt the marketability of a coin.
As for which one of the above, I would pick #5. If the wood graining is a problem, #4.

 

I wouldn't say so....in fact in most cases I feel safer with NGC. Since I haven't read NGC's rules and such all I can't say for sure....but I would bet that they would do the same as PCGS, maybe better.

Speedy

 

This is what concerned me,
taken from http://www.ngccoin.com/services/writtenguaranty.asp


WARNING: THIS GUARANTEE IS LIMITED.

• The NGC Guarantee does not apply to copper, bronze or copper nickel coins graded by NGC prior to April 1, 2000.
• To the extent that the NGC Guarantee applies to copper, bronze, or copper nickel coins, the NGC Guarantee expires with respect to such coin(s) on the ten year anniversary of the date of encapsulation by NGC.
• The NGC Guarantee does not cover coins which have been graded by NGC but then are subjected to abuse, alteration, or improper storage conditions such as (but not limited to) extreme temperature, moisture, damaging environmental conditions, excessive light, excessive motion or vibration, or any other extreme conditions.

I don't know when the coin was slabbed, or what the storage conditions were in the time period since it was slabbed. It seems like there would be some easy loop-holes for NGC to get out of the guarantee if it turned out to be damaged. I'm not putting them down or anything, just saying that it seems entirely possible to own a damaged NGC slabbed coin and have little recourse....which is what led me to send the coin back.

 

I think mostly that is for the color of the copper coins....such as if they grade a coin MS64RED and it turns brown. I'm pretty sure, but you would need to ask, that they would stand behind their slabs when it comes to PVC.

Speedy

 

In the early '70s a great-uncle of mine gave me two SVDB cents and told me to sell one when I needed to and hang on to the second. Young and foolish I sold both in less than 5 years... Neither had been circulated.
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