Huge thank you to PCGS for helping me with this special project! I mainly collect $2 1/2 Indians, and have been thinking about a set like this for awhile. Retained Cuds on the bottom of the reverse are fairly rare, but can be found. This is only the second die crack (not a full retained cud) I've seen on these though, and I've looked at a LOT! I thought this would be a cool way to display a normal die state, the die crack, and the retained cud all together!! Now, think theres a full cud out there anywhere?? Hope yall like it!
Cool! I like the look of the label, too. When PCGS switched their boxes from blue to black, I was wondering if that was going to coincide with a label change like when the switched from green to blue.
Where is the retained cud? I see an incomplete die break on the second coin, and I see a complete die break on the third coin. I don't see a CUD of any sort on any coin.
Retained cud is a die break from rim to rim. A Cud is where the piece broke off, but it is retained since it is still attached.
Usually a cud is a blobby bit where the die broke off. Retained cud seems to be an oxymoron to me.... this is a die break. Perhaps I'd call it a retained cud if that piece were at a different height compared to the rest of the coin, but that doesn't appear to be the case here.
Well, both NGC and PCGS widely call these retained cuds, so who knows. I guess retained cud is the same as a die break?
No. I'm saying PCGS and NGC are both wrong, if they both label this as a retained cud. What you show is correctly referred to as a rim to rim die break. See these two pages for a description of the difference: https://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/ http://www.error-ref.com/anvil-die-retained-cud/ The top one below is a rim-to-rim die break. This appears to be what is shown on your coin. There is no separation of this piece, but the face of the die is broken. A cud appears when the shank of the die completely separates and begins to move away from the remainder of the die. On the Lincoln below, the broken section of die is retained in the collar sufficiently to still strike a portion of the coin, but it has begun to physically separate from the rest of the die. If that piece were to fall out of the collar, or gets pushed back far enough that it is no longer contacting the planchet, then it is a cud.
Well, both graders have error experts who have seen the coin in hand, so I will go with their opinions.
They have an oversized holder fee. Half price right now, $10. I think they got it wrong though, they charged me three times for it (for three coins I guess), but it is only one holder. Who knows, I like the outcome though!
Rim to rim die CRACK. It is only a die break if the piece has broken away from the die. The only way to really know if it has completely broken away is if there is vertical displacement. No vertical displacement, rim to rim die crack, with verifical displacement but the piece of the die is still there, retained cud, vertical displacement and the piece is completely gone, die break or cud if it includes the edge of the coin. The OP coin is a rim to rim die crack not a retained cud. Unfortunately a LOT of people tend to call any rim to rim crack a retained cud. In my opinion PCGS mis-described it.
Judging from how the appearance of the luster changes across the crack, I would say that there is some displacement or tilt of the die fragment with respect to the rest of the die. Another hint that the fragment has separated from the die is the fact that the solidus in 1/2 doesn't line up correctly across the crack.
