Help: attributing late Romans

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  1. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    Any "late-Roman"-collectors here who can help me?



    306-337 Constantine 12.jpg
    Constantine I (or can it be Constantine II?), and it is definitely minted in Siscia (with Epsilon?). Otherwise I have trouble of attributing it with RIC – It does not say ” CONSTANTINVS AVG”. I am lost. Can one attribute it?







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    The auction house attributed it to Constantius II (I am not quite sure it correct). Can you tell me what mint it is so I can narrow the field? If you know the reference-number on hands then I will like to know it.

    Thank you for any help you can provide.
     
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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I would like to learn also
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    The first is:
    Constantine II, AE follis, Siscia. AD 321-324. CONSTANTINVS IVN NOB C, laureate head right / CAESARVM NOSTRORVM around VOT X within wreath. Mintmark Epsilon SIS (?). RIC VII Siscia 176

    There is a symbol behind "SIS" but I can't make it out. It may change the RIC number. The Epsilon represents the workshop at Siscia
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I believe the second coin is Constantius II from Antioch:

    Constantius II. AE3. Antioch. 347-355 AD. DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust left, holding globe / FEL TEMP-REPARATIO, emperor standing left, holding labarum, two captives wearing Phrygian helmets kneeling before him and facing each other. Star in left field. Mintmark AN and officina letter. RIC VIII Antioch 127. LRBC 2614.
     
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  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Yep. 176:

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  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I liked the look of that Constantius, @Herberto, and nearly bid on it. I'm glad it went to a CoinTalker. :D

    Here's a Trier version of the Constantine II, with a rather anaemic wreath compared to yours:
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  8. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    BTW, the giveaway that it is Constantine II rather than Constantine I is the IVN--"Junior"--after CONSTANTINVS in the obverse inscription.
     
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  9. dougsmit

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    Yes. While I do not have an exact match, my RIC 159, page 444 with star in place of your branch shows the Constantine I obverse legend ending in AVG as well as the completely different reverse legend around used for the father rather than the 'of our Caesars' used for the sons as on your coin. The father also had an additional ten years on the Vota count on this issue.
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    More like yours is the RIC 182 with the rising sun rather than the branch. I sold this one some time ago but do not remember who got it. The coin is rough but has retained silvering just in case you did not know these were issued with the wash.
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    If you look in RIC you will see these also came with a thunderbolt or a wreath in place of the branch/sun. RIC lists all as rare except for the common sun devices. This is a case where rarity will not add value unless you find a specialist intent on having the 100+ variations of symbol/officina/ruler.
     
  10. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    What's important here is noticing the "IVN" - literally an abbreviation of "Junior" - in the obverse legend. You will find IVN legends on the coins of Constantine II, Constantius II, and a few for Constantius Gallus when each was Caesar among the LRB's (oh, and a few for Valentinian II some decades later)
     
  11. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    Can others help me to be sure that Bing is correct in term of Constantius II?

    Because my coin doesn't have a star on reverse. - For that reason I thought that my coin was RIC VIII 125, but the mint mark is AN and Episilon, in which my coin is not.

    So if someone knows something, tell me.


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  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Please show a Constantius II "IVN". There are also Constantine II, Constantius II and Constans MAX coins but I had missed the IVN.
     
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    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    That's a cool site I wasn't aware of... thanks, Ocat! :)
     
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  16. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    This is as close as I can get to the Constantine Caesar 12 nr 721 Constantinus II Caesar VOT X Siscia 176 R3.jpg
     
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  17. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Your coin is RIC 125. That listing number applies to all coins of Constantius II with that reverse and a mint mark that begins AN and followed by A, B, gamma, delta, episilon or Z and no star in the field. Although it doesn't look like one, I believe that is supposed to be an epsilon in the mint mark. It may have been a partially filled die or just poor preservation.
     
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