Should this coin reside in a TPG holder?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Rheingold, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Hi folks,

    got this in the mail the other day.
    As always opinions are welcome.
    What do you think?
    Should I send it to NGC and take the conservation service before?
    @micbraun
    @Seattlite86

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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I can't really judge the color from the photos there, but I'd say yeah, sure, it's worth a shot based on the detail, which appears to be in the "slider" range between upper AU and lower MS.

    There's a spot or two which is worrisome, though- particularly the greenish one below the "3" in the date. Is that why you mentioned Conservation service? There's also a whitish one by the "U" in UNITED. Is that one near the "N" in ONE as well?

    I also note a slight flatness of the rim above the second "T" in STATES. This looks like a faint rim bruise to me, but not enough to prevent a straight grade by itself, in my opinion. I think the spot by the "U" might also get a pass. Not so optimistic about the one below the "3" in the date.

    To be realistic, I'd semi-expect a "details" grade from this one, but it's still got pretty sharp detail, as mentioned, so even in a high AU or UNC details holder, the plastic could be nice to have, if you intend to resell it.
     
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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Looks cleaned. The color is unnatural IMO.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Looks quite different on my phone than on the monitor I saw it on a few minutes ago.

    Mmmyeah... I don't think that 'un will straight-grade. :(

    Still worth it to have it in a "details" holder, though? Maybe. Up to you.

    Worth spending extra money for conservation on it? No, I don't think so.

    Maybe a better candidate for a Dansco 7070 or similar album than a TPG slab.
     
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  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I would not send it in. Surfaces don’t look natural
     
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  7. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Thanks guys so far.
    I will make better pictures....
     
  8. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I won't put anything in a TPG holder.
     
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  9. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    If you think it will conserve and straight grade MS, then yes.
    Personally I don't think it will conserve and if it does, I don't think
    it will straight grade, and if it does, it won't be MS.
    It's not a rare coin, I think there's too much going against it, and too much
    additional cost involved even if it were to conserve and straight grade.
     
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  10. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    So I will upgrade my Dansco as @lordmarcovan suggested... that's fine.

    Thanks to all for the help;) as I'm not familiar with large old copper coins.....

    Paid 35 bucks...I think I did not so bad.....:rolleyes:
     
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  11. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Well yes if it were conserved and straight graded AU, it's around $100 retail.
    I think that's a tad high, and I prefer lower mintage coins. But there is some
    very good detail on this one.
     
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  12. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Green spots on copper are a showstopper for me. As I haven’t submitted a copper coin for conservation so far, I really don’t know what to say. Can you return it?
     
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  13. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Well worth the price and it'll look great in that album!
     
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  14. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    @micbraun

    Hi Mike,
    thanks for your response.
    There is no need for a return.
    I like it for the AU/MS details and it looks great in the Dansco;)
     
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  16. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Hi, @Rheingold. Good to see you collecting coppers:). Great buy for $35.

    As some have pointed out, green on copper is not good. Due to the fact this is fairly common type and low value, I would not recommend spending money on conservation. What I would do is dip it in acetone. Initially a few minutes, see how much of the deposits can be removed. If, needed, extend the time a little.

    The colour is important for early copper collectors. Dark coins are least desirable.
    If you want to continue adding early copper here and there, my advice is to try to aim for shades like these:

    cents group of 3 late date OBV1N - 1.jpg cents group of 3 late date REV1N - 1.jpg 1856 cent OBV1 N - 1.jpg 1856 cent REV1 N - 1.jpg

    I paid about 90-100 euros for all three.
     
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  17. Rheingold

    Rheingold Well-Known Member

    Thanks @Eduard for your very friendly help.;)
    I will try Acetone and will post pics after dipping.
     
  18. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Inspector43, posted: "I won't put anything in a TPG holder."

    Since you have been collecting for 70 years, I'd suggest you have a few of your best coins graded using one of the TPGS using the $10 or less special. Otherwise, you and the folks who will get your coins MAY be in for a big shock!

    Eduard,

    Each of the beautiful coins you posted would look much better if they were conserved. Two have that dirty grease buildup and one has green corrosion spots.
     
  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    You can send it in, but I don't think that it is worth it. It looks like artificial toning to me. It should get a "details" or "questionable toning" mark on the label.
     
  20. Derek2200

    Derek2200 Well-Known Member

    Just step up to the plate, take your turn at bat like the rest of us, send it in.

    In terms of potential get out a glass along with your ANA grading book, take a look.
     
  21. EyeAppealingCoins

    EyeAppealingCoins Well-Known Member

    Yes, it belongs in an AU details holder.
     
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