My Fake Maria Theresa Thaler Silver Coin

OK, It was my first days in this this hobby. When I bought this fake coin for 20$.
Later I knew that even the real one, they still restrike in Austria today.
But it was my first time buying a silver coin,I was excited to have one...but in my luck,it was a fake one:







AND THIS IS THE REAL ONE:
1780 Maria Theresa Thaler Silver:

 

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Why fake one lol?

There must be a billion of them.

quite a bad fake job.



I bought one as I feel it to be a coin every collector has.
(although I now expect people to tell me they don't have one lol)

 

This is not the orginal one. This is 1772,the orginal is 1780
this has another portrait.

 

ah i see.

 

No, they made Thalers which looked exactly like that with the widow gown in 1772. The coin may be real, but I doubt it, because it is quite a scarce coin which generally costs about $200 in that condition.

 

well Jerome, I don't really believe that it is real.
Because it's unbelievable to find more than 200 years old coin in that condition (uncirculated)
2nd: I have never found a same coin of mine on the internet.
3rd: in 1772...IMO in that time, most commemorative coins in Europe used to be minted gold and not silver.

 

Maybe this is the real, mine doesn't have anything written on the edge.

 

1) It's not unbelievable to find this coin in uncirculated. While this coin is scarce, it can be found in unc condition. I currently own one and sold a near unc a couple years ago. They run $600-$1100 for an unc.

2) You haven't searched using the right info then. Search using the Davenport number (use DAV-1123) and you'll find multiple examples of this type.

3) This is a regular denomination Taler. I do not believe it is a commemorative. And commems have been minted in gold, silver, and copper/bronze among other metals.

Having said that, you coin does look counterfeit.

 

I see
But mine doesn't have letters on the edge. IS IT REAL OR FAKE?
I want to know, I never seen simillar coin of this one on the net before.
Mine is different from the last photo I posted.

The real : .A. .S.

Mine: A. .S

The real: .X.

Mine: .X

can anyone help me to find if it is real??? If it is, I can't believe for buying for 20$

 

Are you sure its FAKE... who/what brought you to that conclusion? Ozark

 

It's not uncirculated. It's about GVF.

 

I'm not sure whether the 1772 is supposed to have an edge inscription. A..S and .X are normal on the issue though.

 

Here is an example of an original 1772 Thaler
http://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotviewer.php?LotID=387956&AucID=290&Lot=2581

Compare the sharpness of letters and other small details. On your coin they are not as sharp as they should be in this grade. This usually happens with cast fakes. I would agree with those who think that yours is a fake.

 

Thank you Andre,that was useful,





But why we do have different two coins on the same date.
@ Jerome: If the 1772 is not supposed to have an edge inscription, then my coin might be real?

 

They changed the type in 1772, because the widow's veils had proven unpopular.

 

I offer the following observations.

1. The two coins previously shown with similar obverse designs are just that,... similar. The smaller image of the two is DAV-1123 while the larger (actually my image) is DAV-1124. Same mint with two similar, but different designs and overlapping dates.

2. The DAV-1124 coin does have edge lettering and while I do not have a DAV-1123 coin to view, I would just bet that it too has edge lettering. Earlier talers produced by the same mint contain this security feature.

3. I believe that your coin is counterfeit for several reasons. First, silversmiths in the Arab world are and were quite capable of producing copies; from coins that looked sand cast to those that could pass for the real item. Second, the lack of edge lettering. And third, the goofy grin. All of the MTTs I've viewed have a somewhat solemn expression, but never a smiling one.

..JD

 

I think the last G of the obverse legend is too rounded..

 

the bombay mint was striking these coin untill a few decades back
whatever i got one for 10$ and its beautiful coin..the thaler. why do we have to bother.

 

I think you'll find that Bombay only struck these talers in 1940-41, but the Austrian government has minting them since 1961. Why do we bother with them? Probably for the same reasons that some folks collect the American Eagle $1 silver bullion rounds. Because they are both round, shinny, and made of silver. At least the talers were circulating coins at one time.

..JD