Please Grade my 1801 DBD

This one came from an B&M auction. What do you guys think?
Your opinions on grade, appeal and variety as usual are very welcome.
Thanks
Eduard

 

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A solid VF-35. And beautiful.

 

I totally agree! Also, it appears to be a BB-212 Variety like the one I got this last weekend but mine has a repaired hole and not quite as nice (VF-20/25).

Gorgeous! :thumb:

Ribbit

Ps: It might even make EF-40.

Pps: Dip it and send it to SGS and it would make MS63. :kewl:

 

I'll go along with Spock and give it an EF-40. Beautiful coin.

Ben

 

Spock? Where's Spock? Have you become cross-eyed :rolling: from staring at your IHC Snow-6 without your glasses? :kewl:

Ribbit

 

ROTFLing, you're right Toad. I need a better pair of glasses. Great grade though.

Ben

 

Go back to looking at your Snow-6 and leave us alone.

Ribbit

 

Toad:
Aren't you being a LITTLE harsh?

That said, Eduard, please forward it to me for proper grading and storage.

Thank you.
Frank

 

Could very well go EF-40, see this comparison: http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=446&Lot_No=1889 . But definitely a solid VF-35 at least. The rim dings might hold it to a 35. Maybe not.

 

I was being silly and not to be taken seriously.

See original POST to understand better.

Ribbit

 

LOL.

Very nice coin - I agree a solid XF40. Another nice one.

 

Guys, thank you for your comments. What strikes me is that you are all grading this coin higher than Bowers & Merena did in the auction.

It came from the Bebee collection sale in 1986 (how time flies!!!), where it was graded VF20/VF30, with hairlines resulting from a past cleaning.

When i bought, it it was bright. But, believe or not, i had this coin sitting in a coin tray in my attic for the last 20 years, undisturbed, and you can see the result. Would this classify as NT???

Eduard

 

aw, I was just kidding.

:thumb:

 

wow!
thank you so much for sharing. i was going to go solid vf 35 as well. the reverse could go for xf40 w/ all the detail. i have no idea as to die variety, but it is in an early die state w/ solid stars , denticles and designs. it is pretty enough for a close to 40 grade w/ that appearance, if you view from a market standard.
you truly own some beautiful and historic pieces. thank you for sharing coins w/ me....especially ones i may never get the priviledge of owning. it is a beautiful piece and thank you again.


sincerely.....steve

 

It goes to show how much grading standards have changed in the last twenty years, when it comes to older coinage. I personally believe it has to do with how much more difficult it's getting each year to acquire the older pieces and how much in demand they are, along with the lesser supply of coinage available that could be kept out of circulation for the purpose of collecting (during that timeframe). I personally graded based on other TPG examples I looked at after acquiring mine a week ago. I wasn't looking for grading, I was looking for the variety but during my search I noted the grades and conditions, so I managed to kill two birds with one stone.

As to the toning, since it's been twenty years since you bought it, that's should be long enough to be considered natural toning, with the stipulation that it's natural toning after an old cleaning. :thumb: Mine clearly has been cleaned at some point in it's life but I haven't a clue when. :rolling: But mine is also an ex-jewelry piece and those pieces are usually cleaned to make them look better when worn so the cleaning is more justified, although not desired by us, the collectors.

Ribbit

 

Steve (srkjkd), I thank YOU very much for your kind words. As you see , this coin had been cleaned when i bought it, but it managed to tone down nicely over the years, and it has a nice presentable appearance now.
I sincerely hope that you will be able to own the coins you cherish. In fact, i know you will. Thank you again sir.

Toad, now that i am back into US coin collecting after a 15 year lapse, i think like you that grading standards have changed.
From the coins you have posted, you seem to be after the same general early type that i collect. It is a very nice area to collect, and unfortunately nowadays much too expensive in my opinion. But, supply and demand!
I particularly see that price explosion happening with nice early copper, which is an area i specially like, but so do many others apparently: A nice S-108 (R3+) 1796 draped bust ended yesterday in eBAY UK. I came home early to bid on it, and was prepared to go high, but not as high as the final bid....wow!!! 2 guys really wanted that coin apparently. In my opinion, they way overpaid.

 

Here is the coin you referred to:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290237771003&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=019

I too was watching it and the other ones the seller was selling and I agree, that by Ebay standards, the buyer overpaid but I have a feeling there were several private collectors bidding against each other on that one and that's why it went so high and by coin dealer standards, they probably got a good deal.

I went after a early colonial coin last week and it was around 23 dollars at close so I placed a 51 dollar snipe bid in at the last second, thinking I had it for a steal, only to see it had gone over 150 dollars when my bid went in. I emailed the item to a friend and he said there were two private collectors that bid it up and that's why it went so high. He knows many private collectors and I always make sure I'm never bidding against him, since there are items he is also after. I'd lose everytime so I just stay out of his way, when he bids on something I'd like also. :rolling: Now I know I'm not alone so I expect to get outbid on anything I go after, that's early colonial.

Ribbit

 

Not looking at the posts to this thread, and hoping I've not guessed already, I'd grade the coin XF 40.

 

Hey Eduard,

Were you also watching this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170228637987&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007

What is going on in Europe? Have they been licking too many toads?

Ribbit

 

Toad:
They must be on drugs, look at the scratches on that reverse.