Some copper for your consideration: 1/2 Cent 1800/2, and 1823/2 cent

Hello C.T friends,
Here is an 1800/2 half cent, and an 1823/2 cent. The first is from a B$M sale. It is low grade but compensates due to the very smooth, chocolate colored surfaces. No pits, verdigris, marks or corrosion. Just honest wear as they say. Unsual in cent and half cents of this era.
The other is an 1823/2 cent. Coin show purchase. It does have some marks and some surface abrasions, a bit darkly colored. (will it "slab"?)
Let me know what you think please. Your opinions are greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Eduard

 

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Sweet Eduard! :thumb:

I would send them to NCS and after they've done their conserving thingy, they'll know whether or not NGC will slab them and if they won't, NCS will.

I love the story behind the 1802/0 half-cent and want one for my collection. I bought one that was a lower grade than yours, but it ended up being a 1808 instead so I sent it back. I also have a 1795 half-cent but you can barely make out the date and it's the reverse that dates it better.

Ribbit

 

What would NCS do for those? I'm not sure I would let them be messed with. They look ok to me.

 

Well I think they would both slab, based off the pictures. Of course that is not a guarantee. I do know this they are both two nice coin!

 

Unless Eduard meant "will they grade & slab" his coins, then NCS will slab problem coins for authenicating/conservation purposes. They do not grade coins they slab, but they do slab coins NGC won't.

Ribbit

Ps: I think both will pass for slabbing with NGC. :thumb:

 

Nice coins Eduard, thans for sharing!

I am not sure that PCGS or NGC would slab the 1823/2 Cent due to the damage on the Wreath on the Reverse. However, I see no reason that they would not slab the 1800/2 Cent!


Frank

 

What about NCS? Wouldn't they authenticate it and slab it (1823/2)?

Ribbit

 

Guys, thank you much for your comments!

At what grade do you think the the 1802/0 would slab. See if you concur with B&M's grade assessment of this coin....
Toad, i would love to hear the story behind the 1802/0. I don't believe i have ever read about it.
Thanks all,
Eduard

 

Handsome Toad,

I may be wrong but NCS is a subsidiary of the same Company that owns NGC and they probably won't grade the coin and would bodybag it due to the damage! There is little reason to send it to NCS since they cannot repair the damage and there is nothing on the coin to conserve. Besides, ANACS will grade the coin and coins graded by them probably bring similar prices to coins graded by NCS.


Frank

 

Conserve - to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of. To preserve.

How about the coin itself? Is it not worthy of being conserved?

NCS isn't just about cleaning old coins to make them look better, they also use preventive methods to conserve coins for prosperity.

Ribbit

Ps: I have posted Eduard's coin to NCS and asked them if they would slab it, in order to find out what their criteria is for items such as this. Especially since I have a few items in similar condition that I was planning on sending them.

Pps: NCS doesn't grade coins, that's NGC's job. That's why they are two different entities, besides the fact it helps them to make more money. Coins sent to NCS for cleaning, if they are capable of being graded by NGC, are sent to NGC for grading and slabbing. The ones that do not qualify, are slabbed by NCS as authentic and given detail grading (AU details, VF details, etc...).

http://www.ncscoin.com/gallery/holdered/index.asp

Ppps: I love the 1944 Steel Cent on the above link. :thumb:

 

G-4 for the 1802/0 and vf20 for the 1823/2. I see nothing to prevent the 1802/0 from slabbing. On the 1823/2 I do see the surface roughing, but can not tell if it just normal wear or damage from maybe pitting. Both are nice coins.

 

I saw Toad's post over on NGC and responded there.

I think NCG will slab both these coins, and NCS will certainly slab them if NGC doesn't.

I like both coins. I'd TPG grade the 1823/2 a VF 25, and the 1802/0 a G 4 (and maybe a 6 on a good day).

Nice coins, Eduard, as usual. I like your taste!

Respectfully....Mike

 

p.s. just to be clear, NCS will slab problem coins without any conservation, or with conservation -- at the submitter's choice.

 

Since the 1802 Cohen-2 Half-Cents were struck on defective Large Cents that were rolled-out, then cut down to the appropriate size, I think they give these a little more credit for grading purposes so I'd give it a G/F-8. :thumb:

Many examples of this variety also show details of a Large Cent, wherever the striking pressures failed to obliterate them. :kewl:

Ribbit

Ps: It could go as high as F-10. The reverse is pretty strong! :thumb:

 

That half cent does deserve a split grade.

 

Could you give us a close up of the date on the 1 cent , I love looking at over dates . Thanks .
rzage

 

Guys, here is a close-up of the date, as requested. You can see the serifs of the 2 under the 3.
Eduard