I picked up a Dime in change the other day, and it appears to have some minor doubling on the lips. Can the experts chime in on whether it is a case of machine or die doubled??? If not either what is it?
I disagree on the cleaning. The marks go completely to the edge which cleaning lines will usually stop just before edges or diminish somewhat. This appears to be a flawed planchet, with surface deformities/contaminants. Nice Roosey! :thumb: Ribbit Ps: Since the pic doesn't show the date, wanna fill us in on what it is?
I think you're mixing up flow lines with hairlines Toad. I'd agree it has been harshly cleaned. As for the doubling if that's what it is - could go either way, it may be or it may not be. I'd be inclined to say die polish marks myself.
It is 1996D Dime. Since I pulled the coin right out of circulation yesterday, I doubt it was previously cleaned. I assume that it's just been floating around since it was put into circulation. For the most part the coin is in excellent shape. The pictures were taken at 10X and 30X so the lines may be die polish lines?
most likely die polishing. Otherwise, there should be more of a doubling of the rest of the face. Or at least somewhere else on the coin.
There's a big difference between scratches from being cleaned and raised lines. If you look at it closely, you will see the so called scratches are inverted, therefore, they are not scratches, unless you call scratches transferred from the die, scratches on the coin? The scratches originated either from the die or were already on the planchet. Take a new dime and clean it harshly, then look at it magnified and you will see the scratches DO NOT maintain the same aspects on the edges of raised areas on the coin (legend, bust, etc) as the open flat surface. Simple dynamics come into play and are no different than standing against a tall building (ground level) with a strong wind blowing directly at you. If you step away from the building, the wind speed increases but against the building, it isn't as strong. Or, how about washing your car? The "ding strip" that runs down the vehicle, if you go against it, you will leave dirt right up against it, so you have to brush the same direction as the strip to get that area clean, because when brushing in the other direction, the brush hits the raised area of the strip first and bends to it and the tips of the brush never touch the area below or above the strip. Simple dynamics! Ribbit
Here's a full picture of the coin. Thanks! On closer examination of the coin fields, Handsome toad is right: all of the lines are raised (ridged) not indented as in scratched. Cleaning would have smoothed out most of this?
Toad I understand the difference, but with all due respect I'm not so you do or you wouldn't be making these comments. But just so you know, scratches on a planchet are obliterated when the coin is struck unless they are very deep, and seldom are they ever that deep. Yes there scratches on some dies but very few and they usually only show up on coins struck with fresh dies because the flowing metal soon obliterates light scratches on the die as well. That's why dies are polished, to remove flow lines and make them smooth again. But that sometimes results in die polish lines. Now all of that being said, the lines that can be seen up close next to the edge of the devices in the picture on the right are flow lines or die polish lines - not scratches. But in the picture on the right, there are plenty of light scratches visible in the fields and on the devices. It is those lines that make me feel that the coin has been cleaned. Although there are a few visble in the right pic as well. Now, since the OP says that he got the coin out of circulation it is quite possible that those scratches are the result of being carried in somebody's pocket. It is also quite possible that somebody too a cloth and wiped this coin off at some point in the last 12 years as the coin was in circulation. When you say that a coin has been harshly cleaned, it doesn't always mean that some collector cleaned it - it often happens just as a result of a coin being in circulation. They get dropped in a mud puddle and then wiped off - anything like that. But the end result is the same - the coin has the tell tale scratches of having been harshly cleaned and thus it is called that by collectors.
Put me down as not cleaned at all and certainly not harshly cleaned. Under 30X magnification, a harsh cleaning would stick out like a sore thumb. What we see in the field are die polishing lines and the few lines on the raised features are simply marks from contact with other coins or cash drawers. As for the hot lips, it looks like they resulted from the die polishing.
Gotcha! I too see damage areas that are inwardly but there are a lot that are outwardly and those were the ones I was referring to, as the others were the ones you were talking about. So, this is more of a misunderstanding than anything else. Ribbit
