How Good is CoinTalk at Grading?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by physics-fan3.14, Jul 27, 2019.

  1. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast


    Without the poll, the lurkers have no outlet for their input. The people who respond in comments are usually forum regulars who are not shy about giving their opinion. The poll gives you both their opinion and that of pthe people who don’t like to opine, for whatever reason.

    In addition, the poll allows the reader to guess the grade without scrolling through the entire thread. Without the poll, opinions posted by more experienced members will absolutely influence the opinion of the less experienced collectors.
     
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  3. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    Quick update, after completing the 15th Official GTG:

    CT is averaging 0.67 below the TPG grade. For some reason, people are grading very conservatively (and in many cases, quite harshly). Part of this may be that I'm using Heritage images, which are known to show luster poorly. Part of this may be, in my experience, CT tends to be a bit conservative on GTGs.

    I wonder how CT would do with an in-hand GTG? Pondering.... pondering.... more to follow?
     
  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I think part of it is the mentality that it is better to be under than over, so their guesses are stricter when guessing, especially when there are major value changes.

    I have been keeping a record of my guesses in the experiment. I have 5 under vs 8 correct vs 2 over. Of the 5 under, 3 were due to stricter standards, and 2 were because I erred on the side of caution for borderline coins. The 2 over were due to guessing from a phone, which I no longer do. All are +/- 1 point.

    I wonder how many of us tend to err on the side of caution, have harsher standards, or guess from phones. Knowing that would go a long way to help explain/normalize the results.

    Ooo. A logistical nightmare. Try to get as many CTers at a coin show as possible?
     
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  5. dividebytube

    dividebytube Active Member

    Perhaps harsher grading comes from the: "would I buy this for my collection?" syndrome. I'm going to be a lot harder on a coin than a neutral party.

    I do the same when I'm at an antique store looking at furniture - a scratch or a blemish that my wife doesn't mind is a deal killer for me; but I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
     
  6. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I’d love to see data on 15 from Heritage, 15 from GreatCollections and 15 TrueViews.
     
  7. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I think in general, people don't want to be seen as overgrading stuff, so they will tend to err on the side of caution when grading "in public." Being seen as undergrading is excused and/or heralded with bluster about loosening grading standards.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Your comments kinda make me wonder. What I mean is this. When you started your series Official GTG threads you specified that people participating should grade according to the way they themselves grade coins. Which kind of goes along with this comment of yours from the beginning of this thread -

    And yet based on what you said above about CT members grading lower than the TPG, it kind of sounds like you are maligning the "wisdom of the crowds" that you say you are a great believer in.

    That thinking is seemingly reinforced by this comment of yours in post #1 of this thread -

    In other words, the judgement of CT members "being right" with their grades is judged based on what the TPG said, and not the "wisdom of the crowds".

    So I'm kinda curious, which is it that you believe in ? The wisdom of the crowds, or the TPG grade ? Honest question.
     
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  9. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I think those are valid questions, Doug. I think I entered this with a certain set of assumptions (as evidenced in the first post). As I gather more data, maybe those assumptions are true? Maybe they're false? Too early to tell!
     
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