This un-named but obvious TPGS should be ashamed or shut its doors for grading this coin xf40 vs

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  1. Koincollector1

    Koincollector1 Active Member

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  3. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Yikes! :eek:
    Maybe they had a new grader who thought xf means "extra flattened"!? :smuggrin:
     
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  4. Sunflower_Coins

    Sunflower_Coins Importer and Exporter

    It's hard tell from the pictures, but the lack of details may be due to the strike, and not wear. Most coins from Denver and San Francisco in the early 20's had poor strikes. David Hall writes, "this is the first issue in the Walking Liberty half dollar series in which strike can be a definite problem. From here on out...until the last S-Mint was struck in 1946, most of the S-Mint Walkers have weak stirke problems, some severely so. It is not unusual to find mint state 1923-S half dollars that are very weakly struck on Ms. Liberty's hand and the central devices on the reverse." (Via the PCGS Coinfacts page for the 1923-S 50C).

    There isn't a lot of wear in the fields of the graded coin. If you look away from the high points, it does appear similar to a typical Choice VF/XF coin.
     
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  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I’m thinking either mechanical error or weak strike.
     
  6. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Weak strike plus wear - NONE of the high spots on either side are filled out.
     
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  7. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    It's a very weak strike, which happens for 23-S. I looked at pictures of a 23-S in VF30 and XF45 on CoinFacts to see where the difference was. Take a look at the drapery over Liberty's right shoulder. It looks XF. The detail on the branch on the reverse also looks XF. The surfaces looks like they might have a little luster, too, so again XF. Will it get strong XF money? No. A cursory look at auction prices shows a huge variation for XF40, and this is probably due to the variation in strike.
     
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  8. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Full line under Liberty's bust usually means XF40 minimum. This coin has it. I agree, weak strike.
     
  9. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    They both look about 40 to me; full outline of breastplate but loss of detail down the body and left leg; still some rounding of the body and leg on top coin even thought the left hand is worn away.
     
  10. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Which service? NNC?
     
  11. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Not anything I recognize with that many striations between the coin and label.
     
  12. Koincollector1

    Koincollector1 Active Member

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