The Official CoinTalk Grading Experiment 14

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by physics-fan3.14, Nov 1, 2019.

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What does it grade?

  1. AU-55

  2. AU-58

  3. MS-60

  4. MS-61

  5. MS-62

  6. MS-63

  7. MS-64

  8. MS-65

  9. MS-66

  10. MS-67

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  1. LA_Geezer

    LA_Geezer Well-Known Member

    Ditto
     
    LA_Geezer, Nov 1, 2019
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well, I've been voting right along in every one of these. But that's all I've been doing - voting - I have intentionally not posted in any of them.

    But in this one, I gotta post because my vote is not provided as an option. My vote in this case - no grade, it's a problem coin. The obv rim ding all by itself is reason for a no grade, but the 2 rim dings on the rev, they drive the last nail in the coffin.

    So if you're gonna slab it, then it should be slabbed AU details. There's light wear on a few high points and the obvious reed marks in the rim and edge also make it obvious that the coin was indeed in circulation at some point, (resulting in the light wear), or those reed marks couldn't even be there.

    And no I didn't read a single post before I wrote this. All I did was look at the pics.

    edit - now that I see the post preceding mine, others obviously noticed the rim dings too.
     
    GDJMSP, Nov 1, 2019
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  4. gronnh20

    gronnh20 Well-Known Member

    Its off to gradeflation reeducation camp for you MISTER. You are obviously mistaking cabinet friction with circulation wear. We have ways of making you grade properly.:mask:
     
    gronnh20, Nov 1, 2019
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  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    I went AU58. High point rub and at least one of those rim issues looks like damage to me.
     
    longshot, Nov 1, 2019
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  6. Prtzl

    Prtzl New Member

    I thought AU as well. The lack of luster bothers me too.
     
    Prtzl, Nov 1, 2019
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  7. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I’m sorry, but that evaluation is crazy. The coin has no indications of friction in the fields at all and I don’t see wear on the high points either. Reed marks in the rim are not an indicator of circulation without making an enormous assumption, one that a grader isn’t allowed to make.

    The coin has rim dings, but none of them even approach the realm where they would be considered damage and make the coin a problem. Furthermore, rim dings are no different than any other kinds of marks. The presence of a significant rim ding is either severe enough to cause a details grade or it isn’t. And if it isn’t, the presence of other smaller rim dings can’t push it over the edge into problem coin territory.

    Calling this coin AU = Crazy
    Calling this a problem coin = Crazier

    I promise you this coin is in the MS63-MS65 range. I personally chose MS64 because of the muted luster and rim dings.
     
    Lehigh96, Nov 1, 2019
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  8. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    There is evidence of cleaning. I am not going to say improperly or harshly cleaned.
    But there is the halo effect around most of the stars on the obverse, and some areas on the reverse that didn't clean up. The E in AMERICA and between the C and A.
    Also in the center in between the 2 N's and also the D in UNITED.
    It's just too clean for a 169 year old copper coin. Yes it could have been stored properly and protected, but that is unlikely. If there was toning, it seems to be
    gone now. So how was the toning removed?
    The rim dings don't bother me and all things being equal, I would be at AU-58.
    However, considering the generosity that old copper is given I think it graded MS-63.
     
    Michael K, Nov 1, 2019
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Luster is the key to giving these coins a high grade. The photo for this looks really dull, and there is the rim issue. I'd say that the slab grade is MS-60. I know that's a rarely given grade so it's probably wrong. EAC would probabl knock this down to AU-50.

    Yes these coins can be brown and have luster. This one is graded MS-65, Brown.

    1852 Cent O,.jpg 1852 Cent R.jpg
     
    johnmilton, Nov 1, 2019
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  10. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I went with 64, it is so hard to judge luster in static images and Heritage images seem worse than most. The rim hits are so peripheral I don't see them affecting the grade that much, let alone causing a "details" designation. The small mark in the left obv field is enough to keep it from a "gem," grade I think. babble, babble. look forward to the Great Reveal.
     
    ksparrow, Nov 1, 2019
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  11. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    64...rim hit by the date and it looks dull, but the fields are relatively clean, so it nets out to a 64
     
    ddddd, Nov 1, 2019
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  12. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I couldn't wait for the results so I looked it up. I promise not to divulge the grade if you send me $100 in unmarked bills and a bottle of Crown Royal.
     
    wxcoin, Nov 1, 2019
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  13. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    AU is whack-a-doodle.
     
    C-B-D, Nov 1, 2019
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  14. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    I voted MS 65
     
    thomas mozzillo, Nov 1, 2019
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  15. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    64 BN
     
    Mike Thorne, Nov 2, 2019
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  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That is 65 luster, which the GTG coin is lacking.
     
    TypeCoin971793, Nov 2, 2019
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  17. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    There is clear metal movement and scrape marks along the beveling of the edge. 100% PMD
     
    TypeCoin971793, Nov 2, 2019
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I see it as being impossible to say that this isn't a dent and those aren't reed marks in the edge of that coin.

    gtg 14 obv 1.jpg

    Same thing for this one -

    gtg 14 rev a 1.jpg


    Now can anybody give me a reasonable explanation as to how that could possibly occur unless the coin was in actual circulation ? I sure can't think of one.

    And yes, to my eyes there is obvious light wear on some of the high point of the leaves in the wreath.

    Lastly, any other coin, besides one of this age, from this time period, with rim dings like those and of that severity would be an automatic details grade.
     
    GDJMSP, Nov 2, 2019
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  19. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The top photo looks like the rim has been filed. In that old days that brought a body bag. Today it's a details grade.
     
    johnmilton, Nov 2, 2019
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  20. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    C-B-D, Nov 2, 2019
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  21. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    This coin is in a problem free slab. It is not details graded, and it is not bodybagged.
     
    physics-fan3.14, Nov 2, 2019
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