Fake chop marked Trade $

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  1. Dalladalla80

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  3. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    Hmm. CC - no slab - $450.00.
     
  4. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    The seller is legitimate. Looking at his other stuff, it all looks genuine. The chopmarks are the right style and are hand-punched into the coin. The luster looks right for a coin circulated to AU condition. The mintmark is the correct style.

    So, tell me, what makes you so 100% sure that this is absolutely a fake?

    Every genuine 1804 dollar was at one point raw. ;)
     
  5. Dalladalla80

    Dalladalla80 Member

    Another forum determined it was fake. We should do the utmost to take down all these fakes and stop them from harming our hobby.
     
  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    You did not answer my question. What specific tells led to that conclusion?
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @Dalladalla80 This coin looks legit to me so what makes you think it's not?
     
  8. Penna_Boy

    Penna_Boy Just a nobody from the past

    I try to stay away from threads like these.
     
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  9. Dalladalla80

    Dalladalla80 Member

    The chops match up with other known fake chopmarks.
     
  10. Dalladalla80

    Dalladalla80 Member

    The chops match up with other known fake chopmarks. It is a fake.
     
  11. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Which ones? And what references do you have? It’s not difficult to copy a genuine chop mark
     
  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I would not pay that kind of money for this coin. Chop marks are Damage on coins so I fail to understand why they would fake a chop mark. The coin itself looks genuine. Trade Dollars are know for chop marks. There are collectors of chop mark coins.
     
  13. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    hmm. i like chop marks and the TPG's will grade them as a "variety". Is it possible to see more information about fake chopmarks, i.e., known fake chopmarks? While chopmarks on this particular issue don't seem to have a deleterious impact on value for circulated XF/AU coins as far as I can tell they don't add value either, so why fake chopmarks is a good question? This XF40 coin passed CAC scrutiny. 1875 cc T$1 w chops CAC PCGS xf40.jpg
     
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  14. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    Maybe because of this..

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  15. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I don’t think the op coin looks right. Her face lacks details and the stars look too small and too far from the edge among other things
     
  16. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Same reason as always, to make money. Fake chops can also be used as a way to coverup areas on fake coins that aren't right
     
  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Seller ended the listing.
     
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  18. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I can't say with any confidence that the ebay coin referenced in the OP is a fake.
    I do think that the small, lightly impressed chops in the L and R obv fields raise my eyebrows somewhat but I make no claims to being a chopmark expert. If I were offering the coin, and someone PM'd me about those chops, I would definitely pull the coin for closer inspection.
    As a general rule of thumb, buying raw cc trades online carries a significant amount of risk.
     
  19. mullah

    mullah Member

    That last line is a solid piece of advice... cheers
     
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  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I see the OP never responded with the exact tells that made it a counterfeit. I guess he became less confident when forced to think
     
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  21. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I sent the images to the Editor of the "Chopmark News" of the Chopmark Collectors Club and he stated it looked OK to him...
     
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