Need help with identifying this coin

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by lucag123, Sep 10, 2019.

  1. lucag123

    lucag123 Member

    Hi all,
    Im not 100% sure of this coins origin, but I believe it may be ottoman or even hungarian (as strange as that may sound) not sure if the cuts were done at the time or later on but appear to be modern.
    It could be a roman coin, but I'm no expert on ancient coins.
    If you need better photos just let me know. It is thin. IMG_20190909_193208.jpg IMG_20190909_193218.jpg
    any useful help is much appreciated.
    Thanks!
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Hmm. Stumped.

    Likely central Asian, maybe from some Indian state, I'd imagine.

    'S'all I've got. Wild guess.
     
  4. KIWITI

    KIWITI Well-Known Member

    It´s a byzantine "cup coin". You can see Christ on first photo, and part of his "IC XS" (just the IC part).
     
  5. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Another vote for Byzantine. Rotate the first picture left 90 degrees and you can see the (crude) portrait of Jesus. The scyphate (cup-like) shape is another indication. These are from the later Byzantine era, but narrowing it down may be difficult on such a worn coin.
     
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  6. lucag123

    lucag123 Member

    Wow! I didn't even notice this until u pointed it out!
    Any ideas about why it's been cut in a pentagon shape?
     
  7. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Maybe similar to this one?

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    Latin Rulers of Constantinople, 1204-1261 AD
    BL Trachy

    (Photo shows reverse first)
    Obverse: Large module. Facing bust of Christ Pantokrator.
    Reverse: Archangel Michael standing facing, holding lis-tipped scepter and globus cruciger.
    References: DOC 16 (type P), SB 2036
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  8. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    Flan production changed from time to time and place to place. At this point, it appears the (thin) flans were created by hammering out the billon/bronze into thinnish sheets and snipping approximate size flan blanks out of the sheets with shears. Other issues may show more traditional flan-production. The earliest of the scyphate trachea, in addition to containing more silver in the billon alloy (some are even silvery-looking) are struck on flans which are thicker, more regular and far more substantial. Those tend to look as though their blank flans were cast, probably in 'trees", as coin blanks had more traditionally been created. The blanks seem likely to have been cast "pre-cupped" to some extent and the (convex) obverses are more likely to be clearly legible than on later issues. A common issue often seen on more regular and substantial flans is SBCV 1917-19 and similar issues of Alexius I. Later, they go through a period where it appears that either a round punch may have been used on hammered sheets, or the shearing work was a more skilled procedure resulting in round(er) flans. By the 13th century and the Latin rulers of Constantinople, the trachea become "ultra-crude" and the randomly polygonal, usually very small trachea become the norm.
     
  9. lucag123

    lucag123 Member

    IMG_20190920_210110.jpg IMG_20190920_210118.jpg IMG_20190920_210144.jpg here are some better photos if these help with the IDing
     
  10. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    No doubt, for sure Latin piece. These are fun to collect, and just as exasperating some times.
     
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