ACC - New Coin Grading Service or Scam?

Howdy fellow coin peeps, :thumb:

I found this on Ebay just now and figured it was worthy of discussing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1803-1-2-cent-s...oryZ4182QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Is it a real Coin Grading Service or a private scam?

Ribbit

 

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I don't know , but by the looks of it I wouldnt trust it. rzage

 

Do a little HISTORY searching on this site... You might find a few answers to what you're wondering about.

:loud: Ben

 

Has ACC already been discussed? I'm not surprised!

Ribbit

 

When I went to that sight ,whenever I clicked on a coin to see a larger picture , you could see the picture of the same little camera that was on the holder. Seems to me the holders probably owned by E-BAY rzage

 

uh, punt.

 

I was given a Proof 70 1962 Franklin half $ by a friend. It was graded & slabbed by ACC. The case was so scratched I cracked it out and there was a flawless coin. Now, I doubt it is a Pf70. Also my grading skills are not quite up to par, but it's a beautiful coin nonetheless. I scanned the slabbed coin but they are too big to post here now. I'll take some photos soon and post them.


Bruce

 

Here are a few photos of the 1962 Proof 70 ACC Franklin Half Dollar. I took these photos while the coin was in a kointain as it was very windy here and I tried to capture the waning natural light as the sun went behind the trees.

So, the first 2 are in the sunlight and the 3rd is when the wind blew the white cloth napkin over the coin. Thus subdued light.



I see the shadows are obscuring the bell lines on the reverse. the sun is going down and is at 12 o'clock in these photos. The few grains of lint are seen on the kointains but, in hand, I cannot see any flaws.

Anyway, this is just one example of an ACC graded coin. Not likely a Pf 70.

Bruce

 

Kewl! :thumb:

I didn't realize they didn't do cameos with the Franklins?

Ribbit

Ps: Since that's my birth year, is that going to be my Christmas present this year if I'm a good little toadie?

Pps: Rut roh! Can I still have it if I've been a bad little toadie?

 

Toad:
Until modern proofs, only the earliest strikes were cameos.

 

Who says they didn't?? they just aren't all that common...

Speedy

 

I know ACC is a private scam, that i believe has been produced and sold by hucky coins on ebay from wisconsin. I would steer clear of those coins.

 

Speedy:
That is ONE outrageous Bennie!

 

I have a 1956 proof set coming to me with a sweet cameo Franklin. It's at least a CAM, but judging by the pictures, it MAY qualify as a DCAM *crosses fingers*.

I'll post some pics when I get it in-hand!

 

Camo Franklins

I don't think they intended to make cameo proofs , thats the result of the mintig process , When they use a new die the fields are polished , and the raised portions are not , as the die wears a little the raised portion starts to even out , thats why only the first few coins are cameo and the others aren't . This also explains why there are so few of them . This is as close as I can get describing the process , maybe someone else can clarify this .:secret:

 

When did they stop sandblasting and start using chemicals?

WikiPedia excerpt:

"The dies for making modern U.S. proof coins are often treated with chemicals to make certain parts of the design take on a frosted appearance, with the polished fields taking on a mirror finish. Several other methods have been used in the past to achieve this effect, including sand blasting the dies, and matte proofs. Proof coins of the early 1800s even appear to be scratched, but it was part of the production process."


Ribbit

 

That is a really nice coin, Speedy. I'm afraid my photos, with my coin in a KOINTAIN, will never look as good as yours does. I don't have the camera or the knowledge/technique to take such quality photos of my coins. (Which are beautiful unto themselves).

Anyway, getting back to ACC GRADING; My only experience with them is this 1 1962 "PF70" coin I liberated from the slab it resided in, and it is quite a beautiful coin. I love it the way is is now. Regardless of its grade.

Bruce

 

wiki uses lasers ?