Nero coin looks genuine to me but not sure.

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by bcuda, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    This Nero coin looks real to me , but looks like it was put in an acid bath to clean it possibly.

    What do you all think about it ?


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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

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  4. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    If genuine, it may well have been put through electrolysis. If not done properly or with the correct solution mixture, this process will strip a coin of all dirt, oxidation and patina leaving nothing but bare metal. Leaving a coin connected for too long will often result in the metal being stripped away or pitted (similar to what the pictured coin looks like).
     
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  5. NLL

    NLL Well-Known Member

    I think the coin looks suspect and that it is most likely a fake. Where did you get it from? The source will help determine whether it is real or not.
     
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  6. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    There is no way that coin is genuine. In addition to the pitting (which sometimes is present in badly cleaned genuine coins), the features are too weak for the type of wear present. Almost looks soapy. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be willing to place any money on it to find out.
     
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  7. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    I don’t like it: bad style, pitted surfaces, mushy details. I believe it’s fake.
     
  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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  9. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I dont have some of my reference material at the moment but it looks like a pressed Bulgarian type.
     
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  10. red_spork

    red_spork Triumvir monetalis

    Ignoring style(because I don't collect these types enough to know for sure what an authentic one looks like), the fabric looks like a pressed fake artificially aged in acid and then patinated with a sulphur solution. The corrosion looks rapid and not natural and the kind of solution you'd usually use to clean a good silver denarius like this shouldn't cause that sort of damage to the surface.
     
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  11. Silverlock

    Silverlock Well-Known Member

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  12. Lolli

    Lolli Active Member

    Why not using forgerynetwork, no registration necessary for access and in most cases it is written why the coins are fake and they were withdrawn as fakes at auciton (confirming that they are fake) or sold by notorious fake sellers, which is in most cases a confirmation of them being fake too if we do not neglect that fake sellers are sometimes offering very cheap authentic coins too, to distract and making the fakes look more convincing when put together with authentic coins.

    It is a transfer die fake of a Slavey forgery (modern hand cutted dies), flans of original Slavey forgeries look different and do not have flan cracks like these.
    But could be in worst case a cast fake of a transfer die fake of a Slavey forgery not possible to tell for sure from pictures.

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  13. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Yes, I thought so too the more I look at it. It could very well be a cast forgery of another fake coin produced with transfer dies of another fake coin. :eek:

    Nothing would surprise me anymore. I've already seen plenty of fakes of fakes, so why not fakes of fakes of fakes? Or "x3 fake" for short.

    The way things are going, I can't wait until the market starts to get flooded with x4 fakes and x5 fakes. Probably will look as ancient as a Mickey Mouse token at that point, but there's always gullible people that will fall for it no matter how bad the fake is.

    What would Slavey make of it? Would he have been pleased that his fakes are so famous that collectors actually pay good money for them? And would he have been flattered to know his coins are now being faked by others?
     
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  14. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Slavey's coins proved to be so popular that yep, they were in turn copied by others. And of course some used them to produce other second and third generation fakes, but in general they would not fool most. More convincing were his coins that were artificially worn down and corroded, banged up, etc. When in such a state some can and often do look genuine at a casual glance.

    What would he think? I have no idea. He's probably still around, about age 70. I think he would likely be pleased that so many appreciated his work and found them collectible. I dont think there was ever much of a financial motive for him as they originally sold at retail between $5 - 10. His cut must have been maybe $1 per coin.
     
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  15. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Here are more form Forvm Fake reports. These were sold as replicas....

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  16. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    Thank you everyone for your generous time educating me on this coin. I was about 50/50 on it being good before all of your posts.
     
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