Byzantine coin it is genuine or fake?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Moda888, Sep 8, 2019.

  1. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    this from my father collector
    it is genuine or fake?
    and how much do u think the value for it
    the wight : 4.5g

    sorry i ask to much about coin but my exsperines its a little

    thanks for all

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  3. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    Can I ask where you are from and where your dad got it?
     
  4. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Moda888, You seem to be acquiring a lot of questionable coins o_O. Posted below is a solidus from my collection that is the same type as yours. Notice the difference in lettering and the lack of detail on the drapery of Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine on your coin, also the lack of detail on their crowns. The color on your coin looks like it is alloyed whereas it should be nearly pure gold. The weight on your coin is the only thing that looks good about it. It may be a fake from Lebanon made in the 1950s or 60s. I'm no expert & suggest you send it into a 3rd party grading company.

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  5. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Moda888, Unfortunately there are a lot of excellent fakes of common Byzantine gold coins. Pictured below, on a black background, is a fake no longer in my collection of a Histamenon Nomisma of Romanus III, AD 1028-!034, with alternating photos of a genuine example in my collection.

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  6. Silverlock

    Silverlock Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, no one can tell you if a coin is authentic from a photo. Take it to a knowledgeable ancients dealer, send it to NGC, take it to the British Museum, ask a knowledgeable local collector who specializes in these coins. Even a seemingly obvious fake may be contemporary rather than modern.
     
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  8. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    iam from saudi arabia my dad not remaber from where he say maybe Jordan
     
  9. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member


    thank you very much My experience is simple in some Islamic coins I have a lot of coins The problem here in Saudi Arabia is that there are not many experts in order to evaluate them Thank you so much for putting some pictures of your coins I learn from you and from your experience thank you again
     
  10. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    here in Saudi Arabia not many experts most of them exspert withe islam coin
     
  11. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member


    here some of the coin i have but idont know if its genuine
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  12. Herberto

    Herberto Well-Known Member

    Do you have other coins? Please take photos and show us them here.

    How did you get the two gold coins? Your father found them, too?
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That first one is terrible and the other two look suspicious to me.
     
  14. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    i add here all Byzantine coin what we have , he bought from Jordan in 1981
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  15. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    this mean all is fake
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    No, not necessarily. I am not qualified to say that (though this coin looks ridiculous, like a cartoon).

    Others here have more experience with ancients than I do.

    I am suspicious, however.
     
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  17. Moda888

    Moda888 Active Member

    thank u so much
     
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  18. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    The weight of 4.5 grams is correct. Some of these coins have been made by later craftsmen, not as counterfeits, but for jewelry for ceremonial occasions. As such they have some collectable value beyond their gold content. Also not all coin strikes were done well so some variation from the norm can be expected. They may be genuine as actual coins from the Byzantine Empire (Rum).
     
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