What do you guys think?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Spartan, May 5, 2008.

  1. Spartan

    Spartan New Member

    What do you think about this Lincoln 1922d? Cleaned or not. Check out the rest of this sellers items, do you think they are all cleaned. Trying to find some more experienced opinions. Thanks a lot.
     
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  3. Spartan

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  4. Aslanmia

    Aslanmia Active Member

    There's way too much wear on that coin for that to be it's natural colour.
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    one or two may be original, but most are not.
     
  6. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector

    Cleaned.
    Surfaces too dull for a red coin.
     
  7. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

  8. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I think the coin has been recolored and/or the surfaces altered...Mike
     
  9. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    After several deals with that seller, I would be almost positive that the coin has NOT been cleaned. So far as I know, every feedback he has for "cleaned" was because the buyer has not read the listing which clearly stated "cleaned". I am also reasonably sure that the coin is not as nice as it looks. Although I have seen evidence that he has photoshopped one pic, it was only one. However, he definitely knows how to take a pic to bring out the best of the coin and obscure the problems.
     
  10. walterallen

    walterallen Coin Collector

    Thats what I was thinking.

    Allen
     
  11. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I would be quite sure that the coin has not been recolored. I will just say that photography is an art and photoshop is not a requirement.
     
  12. alpha480v

    alpha480v Senior Member


    My thoughts exactly. I have bought 2 coins from him that didn't look in hand as good as they did in the pictures.
     
  13. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    rlm I have to disagree with you on this coin. The surfaces are so smooth for a coin that shows wear and such a even color, so I agree with Mike on this coin - and won't comment on the others since the pictures have been removed.
     
  14. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Add says rich brown but the coin appears almost red with lots of wear. I'd pass on this one.
     
  15. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I am not disagreeing that the coin looks funky, just why it looks that way. I will give you odds, if you buy it, it will not have been cleaned. I do not know how he does it, but he has a method of taking pics that make them look like that. I know, with some playing, I can make my pics look that color (using the white balance). I have no idea how he manages to obscure the flaws and variations in color, but I do not believe he does what most people refer to as photoshopping.
     
  16. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

  17. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I can believe what' RLM is saying, particularly if he's had the advantage of seeing one of these seller's coins in-hand.

    After taking a closer look at the seller's photos, it seems as if they are taken with bad white balance, giving them an odd look/color. Here's what I think the coin looks like...which looks a bit more natural but still a bit too "even" in my opinion.
     

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  18. WmsJewelers

    WmsJewelers New Member

    The coin appears to have been whizzed. This would allow the coin to have the color it does and the top layer of metal has been removed and then the coin has been toned back over by artificial means.
     
  19. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. the seller's photos appear to have used a diffused light which gives the coin an odd look. The photos are almost perfectly exposed, and show really good contrast too. They have been compressed and show artifacts of the JPEG compression including smoothing of the fields and some blocking in high-contrast areas.
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    AJ - We are talking semantics. The point is that the coins is not as nice as it appears.

    Leadfoot - If you look at the original pic, you will see that it is just slightly out of focus. That will do a lot to obscure the flaws.

    Just a general note, I have also found that a lot of his coins not showing the reverse have a weak reverse. On the plus side, he does honor his returns

    WmsJewelers - You lost another round with PayPal so we know what you opinion is worth.
     
  21. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Here is my guesstimate of what it looks like with the exception of some nicks. I do see a couple scratches on Abe's collar. Aside from that, it appears to be in pretty good shape except that it is a weakly struck coin. That is the best I can interpret from his pic.
     

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