Russian Coins - advice needed please

I have come across two coins that I need to verify real or fake?
I know nothing of Russian coins and really need help. I am posting photos of both.

 

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You might have better luck if you post those in World Coins, you can ask a Mod. To move it for you.

 

I vote bad, based on the images. This means nothing because in order to authenticate coins in 2019, you need a high power exam of their surface. Without that and experience with Russian coins, even a coin dealer can be fooled.

 

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1st Coin. KM# = C#67b, 1780, Rouble, Weight 24.000g. or .5788oz. , .750 silver, Ruler: Catherine II, mintage-2,866,000

grade/value from my 2002 Krause World Coins catalog.

VG-$40.00 F-$$80.00 VF-$125.00 XF-$225.00
not sure what your coins grade is ? appears cleaned/bluffed...
prices on these are higher now I am guessing ???
wait for more opinions....

 

2nd Coin. KM#166.2 , 1724, Rouble, silver, Ruler: Peter I , Obverse: modified armor with fancy cape.

grade/value from my 2002 Krause World Coins catalog.

VG-$125.00 F-$250 VF-$400.00 Xf-$700.00
not sure what your coins grade is ? appears cleaned/bluffed...
prices on these are higher now I am guessing ???
wait for more opinions....

This thread should be moved to the World Coins forum.

 

I am not sure if these coins are authentic ? The 2nd coin is worth quite a bit of money if real. May I ask where you got these coins ?

 

I don't know much about Russian coins, but they don't look right. Especially the one on the right, it has the look of a modern counterfeit.

 

Unless you are buying Russian coins from a reputable dealer, I wouldn’t go near them.

 

Take these coins to a coin show and show them to dealers for authentication.

 

Hi. Thank you everyone I will try to put it on world coins. If anyone has more comments please post. I bought them with a group of coins.

 

thank you , I will try to get to one