I'd like your opinions

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Juggalo, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. Juggalo

    Juggalo Active Member

    I have 2 coins I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on. The first is a 1994 quarter it looks like a double die and machine doubling to me. The second is a 1964 nickel. I'm no sure if that's part of the die stuck to it or what. Thanks in advance for everyone's opinion.
     

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Nickel is a small lamination.
     
  4. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    icon_smile_agree.gif with FF on the lamination.

    The first picture looks like machine doubling. Show the entire coin, Obv. and Rev. for best opinions and results.
     
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  5. Juggalo

    Juggalo Active Member

    What do you mean by lamination and what does FF stand for? Also thanks for the input and I'll get the extra pics ASAP.
     
  6. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    The term is doubled die, not double die. Just FYI.
    WELCOME to C.T.
     
  7. Juggalo

    Juggalo Active Member

    Sorry I keep forgetting because I hear so many people call it that. Do you know what they ment by lamination and what does FF stand for? I'm including new pics asked for obverse and reverse plus I forgot to include pic that shows doubling in the date.
     

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  8. MatrixMP-9

    MatrixMP-9 Well-Known Member

    FF is...Furry Frog....he's a brain around here, knows what hes looking at like many others. Take his opinion on stuff.
     
  9. MatrixMP-9

    MatrixMP-9 Well-Known Member

    Machine doubling or not, cool coin. Very cool doubling no matter what kind it is. If you are new at this, you will soon find that your chances of finding a real listed DD has worse odds then being struck by lightning. I have personally only found 1 that was absolutely a DD. I keep all my MD, varieties (that I know of) and even interesting PMD. If I didnt, I'd have one single cool coin in my collection lol. enjoy what you find man! Its a neat coin!
     
  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It's all been said. Listen to the Frog.
     
  11. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    A lamination is when the metal separates like the surface of a Formica counterop from the base, or layers if plywood coming apart.
    It is usually caused by improper mixing of the metal alloy.
     
  12. Juggalo

    Juggalo Active Member

    So lamination from another coin got stuck to it. So which coin would be worth more if anything the coin that lost the piece of lamination or the coin the lamination got stuck to?
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    No. You have a coin. It was minted. A piece of the surface of the coin cracks and/or peels away. It has nothing to do with another coin. You only have the one coin. Laminations come in 2 types, a retained and a missing lamination.

    In a retained lamination the cracked piece is still part of the coin. However it is cracked or starting to peel away.

    In a missing lamination the cracked piece is gone. It's nowhere to be found. The coin has a piece missing. Your nickel is a retained lamination. Small and minor, not worth any amount to get excited about, just a few dollars. You can see how the metal has cracked but is still attached to the surface of the coin.

    Laminations occur by the metal not being mixed properly. Some metals do not mix, like oil and water. No matter how hard you try oil and water won't mix. The metal used in coins mixes well together but sometimes it doesn't get mixed correctly. Then after being minted it cracks or peels away creating what you see. I do not have a photo of a good lamination but I do have this.

    It's called a split planchet and so only include it to help you understand. The metal was improperly mixed and it split down the middle of the coin. It's rare to have both halves. Having one half is more common.
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    It shows how the metal mixes and why it split. Hope this helps you to understand.
     
  14. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    It helped me some. Thanks for posting it.
    How did you get both pieces ?
     
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  15. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I do not see any type of doubling on either that would be worth more than face value. Jim
     
  16. AuntZilla

    AuntZilla New Member

    I sure am glad I clicked on this post! I haven’t come across this lamination info. I’m really glad I joined up. So. Much. Knowledge! As a stay at home wife, my family is feeling very neglected due to my excitement about crazy coins. I’ve even turned my puzzle table into my dedicated coin table. Today, I’m going to a local coin shop to see what kind of fun things I can buy to help me see real close. Do y’all have any suggestions for a new enthusiast??

     
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  17. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Welcome to C.T. coins can be fun and also all consuming if let go unchecked. :D
     
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  18. MatrixMP-9

    MatrixMP-9 Well-Known Member

    Aunt Zilla. I like you...because you have a puzzle table! I thought me and my wife were the only nerds left that always have one going. I am no pro at all with this. However, taking good pictures is actually half the fun and absolutely required in order for the experts around here to help you. some people disrespect their time and post junk blurry potato pics. Im guilty like everyone but have gotten better. I use 4 things. I use an old fashioned magnifying glass I bought at the dollar store that works great for initially looking. I use my Iphone and with a little practice, you can get really good full coin pictures. I also use a small loupe or whatever they call it that attaches to my phone...cost $5 on ebay. I also have a digital camera that hooks to my laptop and has a little stand....another $15 or so. I try to have a bright flashlight too to help with lighting when needed. Im sure its overkill but to me, thats half the fun. I like using different sources because sometimes one camera will pick up "ghosts" or reflections that look sure as heck like legit doubling when in reality its not. To me, this helps me cut down on alot of garbage coin posts so Im not wasting these guys time too much. I feel even if Im way off in what I see, I can respect them by at least posting decent easy to see and honest pictures.
     
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  19. AuntZilla

    AuntZilla New Member

    Matrix! I’m an avid puzzler! You and your wife sound like my kind of people. :) do y’all glue your puzzles?! I do! Some are wall worthy, some go in my puzzle book (it can only hold as large as 1500 pieces though, boo), some go right back in their box and I’ll pass it along to whoever wants to tackle it!

    And YES! So much help!! I don’t want to disrespect my coins with horrible quality photos. I want to capture their essence and share an appreciative view with others across the water. I mean, I can’t be the only one who gets excited when I see amazing, old, rare and odd coins, even if I can’t hold it. They don’t even have to be rare.. like my Indian head penny, 1894.. not a rare year, but still really, REALLY cool to me.

    Don’t mind me, I get excited and get to ramblin.
     
  20. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I purchased both at the same time from one of my dealers. In the right place at the right time. I saw it and said to myself " You've got to have that!" Now I do. :)
     
  21. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Very cool. It must be rare to have both pieces graded together like that.
     
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