My newest Iberian today

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  1. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    Bought this Iberian today.

    Carteia

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  3. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very nice! It appears to be an issue for Drusus and Germanicus under Tiberius.

    Here's my Carteia:
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    Hispania, Carteia
    AE Semis, Struck after 44 BC

    Obverse: CARTEIA, Turreted head of city goddess right.
    Reverse: DD, Neptune standing left, right leg raised resting on stones, holding dolphin and trident.
    References: ACIP 2615; RPC I 122
    Size: 21mm, 8.74g
    Ex: Timeline Auctions, February 2019 Auction (3/2/19), Lot #3591
     
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  4. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    Justin Lee
    You have a very nice one indeed. I like your choice !

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  5. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    nice coin, what is on the reverse? Looks like it could be a butter churn.
    I picked up a duplicate recently because I like that it could be the first living Roman on a coin.
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    PS - my wife bought me a computer microscope & these are some of the first pics. I have some work to do with this toy. The pics show lots of shine and surface imperfections that are not obvious to the eye.
    The seller's pic is much better.
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  6. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    LOL, it does, doesn't it! But I think just it's a rudder.

    And tell us more about your duplicate (thrice)... It looks very Carthaginian! But Roman you say?
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice Iberian, @bcuda ... no Carteias for me, though.

    Here are a couple Iberias from me

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    Carthage Iberia 218-208 BC 2nd Punic War AE 13 1-4 Calco Barcid Military Mint 2nd Punic War Tanit Helmet


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    Iberia - Castulo AE14 Quarter Unit Bust - BOAR w-star 2nd C BCE
     
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  8. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    rrdenarius

    That is a beautiful Cartago Nova coin, I love it !

    The reverse is the rudder of a boat.
     
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  9. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very cool! I've got a worn one with a BULL...
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    Hispania, Castulo,
    AE Half Unit (Semis), mid 2nd century BC

    Obverse: Diademed male head to right; palm-branch before.
    Reverse: Bull advancing right, head facing; crescent with central dot above; Iberian “KASTILO” in exergue.
    References: CNH p. 336, 42; SNG BM Spain 1345
    Size: 22mm, 5.3g
     
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  10. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    Nice Iberian coins Alegandron
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am in the same camp as @rrdenarius ... I believe this is the first depiction of a living Roman on a coin. Further, since the Senate controlled SILVER coin production, and was not as strict on Bronze coin production; then Scipio did not offend Rome with his bold likeness on a BRONZE coin. :) Smart.

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    Carthago Nova SCIPIO (Later Africanus) Roman Occupation 209-206 BCE Sear Vol2 6575 Rare

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    Carthago Nova Scipio 209-206 BCE AE 14 Horse Head RARE

    From FORUMANCIENTCOINS:
    The Carthaginian city of Carthago Nova produced a remarkable series of coins in silver and bronze for the Barcid rulers of Spain in the years leading up to the Second Punic War (218-202 BC). The male heads shown on these issues are often interpreted as "disguised" portraits of the Barcids themselves, including Hamilcar, Hasdrubal, and Hannibal, in various incarnations of the Phoenician demigod Melqart. The distinctive features of these portraits lend credence to the theory, though it is not universally believed, and even those who accept the "disguised portrait" theory disagree over which Barcid is depicted on which issues. Carthago Nova fell to the brilliant young Roman commander P. Cornelius Scipio (later Africanus) in 209 BC, and around this time a very distinctive head, with a close-cropped "Roman" haircut and youthful features, suddenly appears on the civic coinage, replacing the previous "Barcid" effigies. This head is quite likely that of Scipio himself. It would have been natural for the Punic celators (me: die-cutters), to switch to a portrayal of the current ruling authority, Roman though he be, and the rarity of the issue in both silver and bronze attests to a brief period of issue, before the Roman Senate quashed any notion of a living person (a youthful upstart at that) being depicted on circulating coinage, albeit outside Rome itself.

    COMMENT: Some arguments state that the coin does not look like the statues and busts of Scipio. Those were fashioned when Scipio was MUCH older and famous. He was only in his mid-20's when he begain fighting in Spain.
     
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  12. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco

    Mine is worn more than yours I think.


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  13. bcuda

    bcuda El Ibérico loco


    I picked this one up Yesterday
    I think it is an exact die match to the one owned by rrdenarius on the front
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    Spain, Carthago Nova Æ Unit. Roman Occupation, after 209 BC. Bare-head left (Scipio Africanus?) / Horse standing right; palm tree behind.


    rrdenarius the last pic you posted above looks like it might have a die match to mine here is your pic. What do you all think ?

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  14. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Tanit became Scipio Africanus :

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