Coins of the States of the German Confederation in the 19th. Century

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  1. ffrickey

    ffrickey Junior Member

    A Hannoverian "Ausbeutethaler" from 1850. My understanding is that these were struck from locally mined silver. I love this guy's head (though it would appear that his chin grew more prominent since his earlier coinage). DEHannoverThaler1850BErnstAugust.jpg
     
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  3. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Nice piece, from around here. :) The JM are the initials of grand duke Joachim Murat; Berg was under Napoleonic control then. In 1815 the country was annexed by Prussia ...

    Christian
     
  4. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yes, an Ausbeutetaler or mining thaler - the inscription "Bergsegen des Harzes" (lit. mountain blessing) indicates that. That silver was found in the Harz mountains; there were several mines in the area.

    Christian
     
  5. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Thank you for posting your coins, @ffrickey.

    According to the 'Grosser Deutscher Muenzkatalog' (A.K.S), the 3 Stuber Landmunz 1806 was minted while Berg was still under the rule of Duke Maximilan Joseph, Prince Elector von Bayern. MJ stands therefore for his initials - Maximilian Joseph.

    As mentioned, Bavaria was forced to cede Berg to Napoleon in the same year (1806), who then appointed his brother in-law, Joachim Murat as ruler of Berg.
    3 Stuber coins were also minted in the same year under the rule of J. Murat. These coins are of a different design, with a single, large 'J' under the crown
    on the obverse.

    (Napoleon had a habit of appointing members of his family to rule various territories which he had conquered. Later on I will post coins minted by the Kingdom of Westfalen which Napoleon gave to his Brother Jerome to rule.)
     
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  6. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    ... and which did not have that much to do with what the Westphalians would consider to be Westphalia. Jerome's residence was Kassel, Westph--never mind. ;)

    Thanks for the info and correction regarding the initials!

    Christian
     
  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Due to its size, population and economic strength the Kingdom of Prussia was the predominant state within the Deutscher Bund.
    Prussia minted an extensive series of Doppeltaler almost uninterruptedly from 1839 until 1867, with mintages exceeding the one million mark in several years.
    This is an example minted under king Friedrich Wilhelm IV (1840-1861).

    Preussen Doppeltaler 1854 OBV1 N - 1.jpg Preussen Doppeltaler 1854 REV1 N - 1.jpg
     
  8. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    Very Cool!
     
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  9. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    By then Prussia had accumulated many territories, as reflected in the multi-field coat of arms
     
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  10. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Here's a few. Sorry I'm not much of a coin photographer.
    Hesse Half gulden 1838-horz.jpg 1847 Prussia Thaler-horz.jpg 2 thaler 1854-horz-horz.jpg
     
  11. coin_nut

    coin_nut Well-Known Member

    They are pretty good pictures, don't under rate your photographic abilities. Shows good detail and the colors look right. Better than many of my own coin pix. I have never tried adding the text labels, something for me to learn.
     
  12. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I agree with @coin_nut , those are pretty nice pictures, @longshot. The actual toning really comes through.
    Very nice coins, too, specially the Doppeltaler from Braunschweig. Thank you for posting them.
     
  13. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I will continue adding to the thread where I left off some time ago, with the Doppeltaler of the Deutsche Bund. After that, return to the minor coinage of the various states.
     
  14. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Doppeltaler Kingdom of Saxony (Sachsen), 1861.

    Sachsen Doppeltaler 1861 OBV1 N - 1.jpg Sachsen Doppeltaler 1861 REV1 N - 1.jpg
     
  15. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Doppeltaler Duchy of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
    (The first King of Belgium, Leopold I, was a prince born into the House of Sachsen-Coburg).

    Sachsen Coburg Doppeltaler 1841 OBV3 N - 1.jpg Sachsern Coburg Doppeltaler 1841 REV1 N - 1.jpg
     
  16. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Amazing anyway how people from that "house" made it to the thrones in various countries ... including the UK. Had they not changed the dynasty name in WW1, the current queen would be Elizabeth of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha or so. Even more interesting is the career of King Simeon in Bulgaria. He was still a kid when the monarchy was abolished, but later (in 2001) became a democratically elected prime minister - as "Simeon Sakskoburggotski". :)

    Christian
     
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  17. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    I thought that was a joke until I looked it up. Funny stuff.
     
  18. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Prussian 2 Pfennig. Needs a little more conservation but I like the overall color/look of this small change!

    PhotoEditor_20190924_185639102.jpg PhotoEditor_20190924_185700177.jpg
     
  19. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    I have to open this thread back up as I recently acquired a Taler from Prussia and did not see another example in the thread (one from Frankfurt though). I really like this coin's toning and overall look in hand. 32.5mm diameter. KM#489. Posted in a couple of other threads on CT, but I think fits nicely here as well. Polish_20210123_223508622.jpg
     
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  20. coin_nut

    coin_nut Well-Known Member

    New acquisition, 1865 A 2 pfennig

    1865 A DE 2 p.jpg
     
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  21. ffrickey

    ffrickey Junior Member

    Last year my brother-in-law gave me a box of old coins he had no use for. I was naturally delighted. Here are three that fit in this thread. First 1 Kreuzer from the Duchy of Nassau 1860. 4 g copper, 22 mm. DENassau1Kreuzer1860.jpg
     
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