Cleaned coins vs Uncleaned coins

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Chip Kirkpatrick, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The thing that people have to get through their heads is that there is a right way and wrong way to clean a coin. The right way does no harm. The wrong way does do harm.

    cleaning = right way
    harsh cleaning = wrong way

    It's just that simple.
     
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  3. Papeldog

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    cpm9ball, I like the after picture better my self. as for cleaning or restoring coins it is considered a no for most collectors, but I have had very good luck at touching up coins not really cleaning but removing surface grud + grime with hawthorn spikes and lightly soaking in water, not rubbing or scratching the surface then rolling a Q-tip over the surface with olive oil then dabbed with cotton cloth. I have sent my altered coins as some might call them to ICCS, CCCS, and PCGS and have never got a detailed coin or cleaned coin from any of them that I have cleaned or altered always a grade. So I'm guessing its all in how you attempt to clean or alter coins.
    Jim J
     
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  4. spenser

    spenser Active Member

    I am of the belief that all circulated coins have been cleaned at one point or another.
     
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  5. whopper64

    whopper64 Well-Known Member

    Soap and water. I understand the need for distilled water. What type of soap? I would think dish detergent is way too strong. What concentration?
     
  6. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As a general rule soap is a bad idea - it leaves a residue on the coins, even after repeated rinsing, that is usually harmful. Yeah, the residue can be removed by using yet other chemicals, acetone and/or xylene. But here's the thing, soap rarely does anything more than a soak and rinsing in distilled water, acetone, xylene, will do all by itself. So why bother with the soap given its detrimental effects ?
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Leaving the olive oil on your coins is also a bad idea. For one it's mildly acidic, and two eventually it will break down over time and turn into a harmful reside that also attracts and causes other contaminants in the air to stick to the coin.

    It's one thing to use olive oil as a mild cleaning agent, but it's quite another to leave it on the coins. It should always be removed.
     
  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Doug has sung this song many years, but I still think that the "residue" can be rinsed off.
     
  10. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Agree, however linseed oil is what is known as a "drying" oil and will react with air to form a protective plastic (if that's what you want).
     
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  11. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Linseed oil on coins......interesting. Is it being done by collectors ? Are there different kinds of linseed oil, like boiled linseed oil.
     
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  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Did you read the rest of my comments ?

    I mean I stated flat out you can get the residue off. But I also explained that you gain nothing using soap to begin with.
     
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  13. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Perfect way to put it IMO
     
  14. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    That wouldn't be cleaning. If you can get some Methylene chloride or Chloroform, you can wet a Q-tip with the solvent and roll it over the surface. It will take the fog, which is probably PVC, right off without damaging the coins. This is not considered cleaning, it is preservation.
     
  15. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    A simple dip in MS70 or just sodium hydroxide alone will take the haze off a proof coin too - easier to come by, and no need to roll a Q-tip around on the surface.

    Edited: oops, he said cents. These treatments are controversial on copper.
     
  16. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Lindseed oil is something used by copper collectors may, many years ago to prevent Verdi grid and other things that can start in high humidity areas.
     
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  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    My thought was that I saw many collectors talking about using Museum Wax and In thought the linseed oil (or Stand oil) might be a better choice for penetrating cracks and crevaces.
     
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  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I LOVE THE SMELL OF CHLOROFORM...BE CAREFUL, IT DON'T TAKE MUCH TO PUT YOU OUT!!!
     
  19. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It comes in handy being an analytical chemist. I haven't used carbon yet - it doesn't get used much anymore, but I would bet it would remove PVC better than the other two.
     
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  20. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

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    Every coin shown is cleaned. I'll take my bent pipes any day. One day, USA coinage will be in the same regard as these.
     
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  21. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    I noticed that bent pipes on Ebay sell very well :)
     
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