Specimen Banknotes

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Shah Master, Aug 5, 2019.

  1. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    Peace be with you all..
    Recently, I read about the reasons for perforation of banknotes. My question is, does pinholes affect/lower the value of 'an extremely RARE SPECIMEN banknote?'
    Awaiting response. Thank you!
     
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Pinholes are considered Damage and they lower the value. If the pin holes caused a small brown stain that will lower the bill a little bit more. With any bank notes condition is everything.

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  4. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    The existence of pinholes on a specimen note seems a bit odd, as it would imply the note was circulating. Do you have a photo of this note?
     
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  5. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    Or they are staple holes and the note was attached to correspondence or other docunentation.
     
  6. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Yep, and a photo might help us figure that out.
     
  7. James Shields

    James Shields Active Member

    I imagine the rarer the Specimen banknote, the less it would have on the overall value.
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I can picture a specimen note being pinned to the wall or corkboard in the bank managers office. Specimens were sent out to banks to train their personnel on the new notes before being released to the public.
     
  9. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    That,s a big yes !! any issues such as pinholes would for sure lower the
    Value regardless of what it is, i see many notes in the MPC world that
    Have pinholes and the value can be decreased as much as 50% over
    Clean bills just more desirable.
     
  10. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    Thank you for the answers.
    I read about how PMG grade the banknotes. But there was nothing like pinholes lower the value. They say they grade the notes based on discoloration, tear off and fade in the colour, folds. There was nothing about pinholes. I'm confused.
     
  11. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    That's what I read in an article about specimen notes.
     
  12. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    But the notes were perforated to cancel its validity.
     
  13. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    Brothers, if pinholes lower the value, how come this note got PMG 45 despite so many punch holes?
     

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  14. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    The cancellation and stamp stating the Note is 'Not Legal Tender' implies that the damage is expected as it is intentional.
     
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  15. Shah Master

    Shah Master New Member

    Since the damage is intentional, it didn't lower the value much. Did I get your point?
     
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  16. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    It didn't lower the grading. The value is something a buyer needs to assign to their purchase. I wouldn't think the value is diminished due to the intentional damage. Everyone differs though.
     
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  17. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    Separate your thoughts of the grade versus the value.

    Grade is (in this case) based on PMG's standard as written, and talks about the quality of the printing and the condition of the note. If they say "pinholes (on in this case punches for cancellation) don't affect the grade", then that's their standard.

    Value is based on the demand for the note and thus how much someone is willing to pay for it. A note graded PMG 45 could be a completely common note worth $1, or a very rare note worth $10,000. Both could be graded PMG 45, with no notation on them as to rarity.

    So let's say there were 5000 of those specimens made, but there was one day that the central bank decided to recall and cancel them all. They started this process and had cancelled two of the notes, when suddenly the bank caught on fire and burned down. So there are 2 in existence with punched holes and "CANCELLED" overprinted on them, and there are 4998 of the original un-cancelled specimen notes. All other things being equal, which would you rather have?
     
  18. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    It did prevent the note from getting EPQ designation.
     
  19. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    You sure? Maybe the remaining bill (excluding the holes ;) ) didn't qualify for EPQ. I don't see there being a definitive way to determine there is a lacking designation based on the info and pix provided.

    Seems that's a false negative.
     
  20. lettow

    lettow Senior Member

    Yes, I am sure. A note with staple or pinholes in the EF grades will not get EPQ from PMG. It does not matter whether there is any other reason for not getting the EPQ.
     
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