World coins displayed upside down in TPG holders

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by mlov43, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    I've seen world coins placed upside down in the rubber cores of graded holders before. I thought it was because the guy who pops the coins into the cores can't read the non-English writing and see which way the coins should go into the holder.

    Well, this is ridiculous:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/South-Kore...732521?hash=item4d9923a7a9:g:mCMAAOSwelldQCF5

    I don't think it's upside down because the coin "rotated" in the holder, either. Or did it?
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Whoever did it must have been lining up the reverse instead of the obverse.

    Chris
     
  4. Stork

    Stork I deliver Supporter

    That would drive me nuts...and I would likely ask them to reholder it.
     
  5. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    It's the rare "inverted planchet" variety
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I went to the PCGS cert lookup and it definitely is upside down
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  7. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    That's funny! I bet what happened was, the graders themselves don't mount the coins. The person doing the mounting saw "Vase" on the label, & in a hurry (you know they are) oriented it by the way they thought it should look,...as a "Vase".

    It should be sent back for remounting.
     
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  8. TheGame

    TheGame Well-Known Member

    It's not the first South Korean coin I've seen be upside down in a slab.

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    The TPGs generally are terrible at choosing how to mount foreign coins in a slab. It bugs me to see British pre-decimal mounted with the obverse on the label side instead of the reverse (which, more often than not, is where the year is).
     
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  9. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    The person doing the mounting thought Korea was like Australia and below the equator???
     
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  10. mlov43

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    Yeah, I saw this one, too. I've seen these One-Won coins displayed upside down before in a few other holders: Both PCGS and NGC variety.
     
  11. mlov43

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    Why does the slab info tag say "UNC Detail" and not "UNC Details"? I don't know too much about the wording on the holders, but isn't it supposed to be "Details"?
     
  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Label error on their part
     
  13. mlov43

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    Maybe it was because the "mounter guy" thought it was a coin that was in "medal alignment?" These coins from this Korean commemorative series were made in "coin alignment" unlike U.S. commemoratives.
     
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  14. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    I include mounting instructions for every world coin on my submissions. They still mount them wrong on occasion, however, since I submitted them with mounting instructions, they reholder them for free when that happens.
     
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  15. mlov43

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    Well...

    It looks like NGC slabs these with "coin alignment" and "Medallic Alignment" written on the tags. Okay, having written the only real English-language information about about these coins, this is the first time seeing this!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-SOUTH...514&pg=2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109
    and
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/South-Kore...518528?hash=item4441ab4140:g:ElEAAOSwxotdM~rt

    I know these were made at the German State Mint (Karlsruhe, Germany) under contract and ones with the "1 AR" stamping on the reverses are supposed to have been made at the Gori & Zucchi Mint in Arezzo, Italy. Italcambio was the "producer" for these coins, and they did tons of other similar-looking world commem sets for other countries in the late 60s and 1970s, too.

    Hmm...
     
  16. Magdeburgensis

    Magdeburgensis New Member

    One would think, but PCGS has slabbed hundreds or even thousands of coins with "Detail" instead of "Details". It is either a slight inconsistency, or done for reasons that I am not aware of.
     
  17. rooman9

    rooman9 Lovin Shiny Things

    I know some of the TPGs have an unwritten rule that the image of the ruler should go label side unless requested. Not always, but it tends to be the trend.
     
  18. Hus.thaler

    Hus.thaler Well-Known Member

    ANACS has a silly rule that the date side of the coin is the obverse for world coins. Not that they apply it consistently, but they trot that rule out whenever I complain about them randomly slabbing German Kaiserreich coins with the eagle side as obverse.
     
  19. Atarian

    Atarian Well-Known Member

    Maybe just as bad, one of the three coins in my Russian rocket silver proof set has the reverse on the label side.
     
  20. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I have heard some people will always label the date side as the obverse. Usually, if there is a portrait that is the standard obverse. I just want them to be consistent.

    What bugs me in my collecting area (Moroccan coinage) is that nobody can agree on which side is the obverse and which is the reverse. Even NGC seems to flip a coin - I have examples from the same series where one is slabbed obverse out, one is slabbed reverse out.

    It makes it even more confusing when the references themselves disagree - Krause calls one side the obverse, Lecompte calls the other side the obverse.

    Drives me up the wall.

    Here is an example of the coins I'm talking about:

    JPW708 obverse.JPG JPW708 reverse.JPG
     
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  21. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Blame the Kaiserreich. ;) The 1873 Coinage Act (Münzgesetz) used the terms "the one side" for the side with the value, and "the other side" for the eagle side, for the lower denominations (1 Pf to 1 M). The Bundesrat however, responsible for the coordination of the high value (2 to 20 M) coins, called the eagle side the obverse.

    So you could deduct that in the latter cases the eagle is on the obverse, in the other cases on the reverse. Not that this matters much ...

    Christian
     
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