Grade ?? Morgan Dollar 1884-s Keydate Dmpl !

Frank:
Thanks for the new pictures.
They really make ya think.

 

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Got it!
Kinda like having a native born California Governor?
(Native to where?)

 

thank you for the new pics (as well as the term california proof..first time i had heard it)!

i would give it a 63 even w/ a hesitancy to tighter grade the date. i can see the more pl (especially on the reverse as in this pic it shows a cameo effect)...still cannot tell depth of it but nicer pics and what a gorgeous scarce morgan...especially for the date !!!! 84-s in that quality are very seldom seen. thank you so much for sharing. wish i could see it in hand..it must really be pretty.....steve

 

While I'm not sure if the coin was artifically frosted, I do suspect that the coin will come back from NGC and/or PCGS in a bodybag. You can bet your bottom dollar there's a reason this coin is in NNC plastic -- and I suspect alterered surfaces is the reason....Mike

 

As Doug says it is a coin with artificially mirrored surfaces, usually created through very light wizzing and then the application of lots of heat. It is more common on true proofs but can also be used on business strikes to create a PL look. The one I saw in person was scary! Until thew tells were pointed out to me I was totally fooled.

There is an article on pcgs.com that touches on it HERE, it is mentioned under the "Whizzing" section.

 

there is also a technique for determinating artifical frosting by robert campbell. but never mind as the cave troll just showed a great link. you can see this on video thru the ana. "detecting artificially toned coins". it can be purchased or probably borrowed from the library, if you are a member. i simply cannot tell the surfaces thru these pics.