1985 CENT CLEANED

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  1. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    This coin had to have been cleaned and I am wondering about the dark spots on
    the obverse .....Also on the obverse and reverse you can see marks that
    look like a paintbrush....Anyone see anything else? SingleShot0004.jpg SingleShot0002.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

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    Is the extreme heat getting to you Joe?
     
  4. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    it's a Zincoln .... which means that the list of problems is too extensive to list without crashing the server.
     
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  5. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    Piece of crud coin...spend it. And stop doing this!
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Sorry Joe but time does not allow me to fully answer your question. In short, it's a Zinc Cent so expect this on all Cents from 1982 until the Mint changes the composition.
     
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  7. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I got this ... I think it's called "Linear Plating Blisters" .. and No, it hasn't been cleaned. If I cleaned and dried it, it'd probably explode (seriously). research zinc and water/steam like what occurs in a washer/dryer.

    notice how it actually goes over all the devices which makes some funny looking stairs.
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    you'll find the post 1982 cents littered with all sorts of problems.
     
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  8. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    You know paddyman yeah, your right...As you always are....The friggin heat is getting to me....Whewww....Maybe it would be better if I just stop posting and just read all the other posts.....( thank you Clawcoins and Collecting Nut ) That way I won't Pe anyone off...Like CoinCorgi...And who knows who else!! :banghead:...I know! Think I'll go back to driving my truck!!
     

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  9. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    @SmokinJoe I'm not a fan of zinc Cents. They are crappy, look terrible and they rot easily. There are so many issues with them, especially that super thin copper plating. Enough of that.

    I always thought you were from Alabama due to your information but the pictures of your truck have Pennsylvania plates. You're a lot closer than I thought. Nice looking truck. Looks fairly new. :)
     
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  10. Bambam8778

    Bambam8778 Well-Known Member

    Nice international there, Joe!!
     
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  11. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    It's not linear plating blisters. Those are roller lines, also known as planchet striations. Those ones are unusually deep where the strike hasn't smashed them out. And only smashed out at the most highest points on the coin.

    It's from the planchet making process when the zinc is rolled out to get it to spec thickness and debris got on the rollers and grooved the zinc and it happened before plating.

    this coin is still not worth any more than a cent but it was quite common through the 1982-2008 to some lesser degree normally it's not usually visible through devices. I havent seen it on the newer shield cents. Its not considered a mint error, it's a planchet flaw, but it is pre-strike, in fact it would be pre-mint done at the planchet manufacturers much like plating bubbles or blisters would also be planchet flaws and would also be there before the strike and start bubbling up after the strike some time.

    Difference is you can depress plating bubbles or linear plating blister's with a toothpick and it will "give" some like a bubble would the bubble or blister can be pressed down and it's a matter of time before the copper "pops" and exposes the zinc. This coin doesn't do that at all anywhere. The plating is good it's just that the zinc under it got scatched in the rollers deep enough to still have the scratches visible after the strike. And the plating doesn't have a countdown and won't be coming off any time soon there are no gas pockets forming under the plating from the zinc rotting.
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  12. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks BamBam
     
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  13. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks collecting Nut, actually I am in Alabama now, but yes, I was running my truck in Penn. for about 5 years.... Loved it....But as we all know, Life can be a 4 letter word anytime it wants to be, my son was killed in a car accident in Connecticut...He was 28 years old and on his way to work....Pulled over on the parkway to check something on his car and a van ran him over going 70 miles an hour...Well, that was the end of it for me....I sold my truck, moved back to Ct.
    and since I am already retired I gave up trying to work...Done...But thanks for zinc info....I have heard about that a zillion times but just can't remember anymore...Old age I guess....Or maybe since my Grandfather and my Dad passed away from Alzheimer, maybe now it's my turn??...Anywaysss...Thanks for your info!!
     
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  14. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    I spent the last couple week s going over it, researching this 2005 trying to figure it out and think it is roller lines, here's why.[​IMG]
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    Linear plating blisters look like the below and are hollow they can be depressed with a toothpick, its literally a bubble under the plating:
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    Planchet Striation/ roller lines aren't hollow and look like this: this is a Morgan 1883 with them but you will get the point from it:
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    Key difference is whether they are raised or incuse, and if they can be depressed with a toothpick. If it can be, it's linear plating blisters, they are always hollow.

    If it can't be depressed it's likely roller lines, although I'm not sold that just because the bubble can't be depressed, it couldn't be possibly very early stage linear plating blisters. It's more obviously roller lines on coins that aren't plated since plating, and plating bubbles aren't an issue, like nickels, quarters and dimes, halves and large dollars.

    Pretty much in all cases the linear plating blisters are accompanied by roundish Plating bubbles also in varying degrees, like small pimples and it progressively worsens over time as the zinc releases gasses and the blisters get larger and larger until a rupture then the real zinc rot begins.

    Besides some toning and the couple light black spots on the reverse, I guess from a cough or sneeze, this 2005 cent hasn't changed in 14 years from the day it was found in a 2005 BU roll of cents and I'm in very Humid South Florida which should accelerate blisters and zinc rot, even doing my best to keep it humidity free, which I don't do. I'm confident at this point this 2005 is roller lines and not linear plating blisters.


    Back to this OP's pictures and coin. I can't see in detail the surfaces clearly, there are absolutely blisters visible behind lincolns head, and under the S in states, and I suspect more would be visible with clearer pictures. those larger dark spots on the obverse are absolutely zinc rot from the plating coming off at the rim. I don't think SmokinJoes's coin has been cleaned, and either way, roller lines or linear plating blisters or a combination of the two, it adds no value, and is seen as detracting in both cases as pre-mint/strike planchet flaws. The dark spots on the obverse are plating blister ruptures where the zinc is exposed and it's just a countdown until the coin gets eaten away form zinc rot. If you want to tell if the lines or blister looking things are plating blisters, press on them with a wooden toothpick and see if they give and depress.

    P.S. these are not all my pictures, just the first two on this post are, the rest I clipped from image searches on the internet for visual aids.
     
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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    My dear sir, I am truly saddened to hear about your son. Please accept my condolences. It is very difficult to bury a loved one, worst if they are younger than you and although I've not done it, I believe the ultimate is to bury your own child. My mother went through that with my sister. My mother in law, whom I love dearly buried her oldest son. Most recently my younger brother in law buried his wife. Her father was broken-hearted. I understand the loss.

    It happens and it's part of life, unpleasant as it may be. Our life goes on and I think our dearly departed would want us to live the rest of our lives to the best and fullest extent of our abilities. They want us to enjoy life even though we can't share it with them.

    I'm 65, retired and I miss so many of my loved ones. Other than cousins that I don't see it's only my brother and myself. I have my wife and her family and they treat me as if I was there own flesh and blood. Life is hard but it's good.

    You look to young to be retired. You're welcome in the zinc Cents. Spend time with studying coins and the minting process. Us aging folks require more time to learn than we used to.

    Have a nice day Joe, it's the start of a new week. :)
     
  16. coin roll

    coin roll Active Member

    You know you're retired when you have to look at your watch to see what day it is. As for me, my wife and I bought a business when I was 68. I am now no longer retired but rather retreaded. Have a happier day.
     
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  17. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks Collecting Nut...I certainly do appreciate your thoughts...And advise.
    Yeah, I know life is good and life is bad...And not just for me, for everyone...
    I may not look it, but I will be 68 next month....Creeping up on the 7 - 0...
    Or is that, " O no! " Time will tell.....Thanks again my Friend
     
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  18. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    coin roll when I read " You know you're retired when you have to look at your watch to see what day it is " that put an ear to ear smile on my face because I am constantly looking at my watch to see what day it is... I wish you and your wife the best of luck with your business...And also with the retread-eness....Let me know my friend how that goes...Maybe I should try it
     
  19. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    My sincere condolences in the lose of your son.
    I just turned 70 in May and the brain/mental part of me is not as sharp as it was 10-20 years ago pre-retirement. It seems to happen to everyone.
    My Father was a hands-on Earthwork Contractor, having bulldozers, loaders, graders, dump trucks, etc. I dabbled in operating the equipment. But the most difficult equipment/vehicle for me in my early adulthood (before going off to engineering school) to have any reasonable expertise in operating was the diesel truck with a flatbed trailer used to move the equipment.
    There are many people who would do anything to have your expertise. You are obviously an expert trucker. Being a mentor/trainer to those wouldbes could be rewarding to you, and could be a great business, if you were so inclined.
    You never know what life has in store for you! Best of luck brother.
     
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  20. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks buckeye....I really appreciate your comment and advise ...Being a mentor is something I have never considered, but I think I should look into that...When I was younger I was a front end loader operator and also was pretty good with a smaller size dozer...I really loved being an equipment operator, until I got the chance to drive truck...Wow...That did it for me....Got my class A license and pulled trailers around for a bit...untill I got my own tri axle dump...Miss that life..Yeah, ( OA old age ) takes a lot out of ya...Take care Brother of mine!
     
  21. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Before I met my wife she drove a dump truck as a teenager during the summer. He dad, an attorney, did a lot of work for an extremely large construction outfit. All 5 boys and her did construction during the summer.

    The first time she lifted the bed to dump the load she freaked out. She thought that truck was going to dip over. I still laugh when this story comes up,
     
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