Marcus Aurelius Sestertius - Die Match (or am I fooling myself)?

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Is my RIC 1338A Sestertius of Marcus Aurelius a die match with the Britsh Museum's?

  1. Yes, this seems to be a die match.

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  2. No, this is not a die match.

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  1. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I just got a new sestertius from eBay and while attributing it, I came across what I think might be my first die match...or not. And so, I try my first Coin Talk poll.

    It is, from what I can tell, fairly scarce, Marcus Aurelius as Caesar, Fortuna reverse, TRPOT XI, RIC 1338A. I say "scarce" because I had trouble finding online examples (acsearch, Coin Archives, vcoins, etc.). Here is my example:

    Marcus Aurelius Caesar Sest. Provident Jul 2019 (0).jpg

    Here is what I think is an obverse die match (the reverses were not matches - not even close). This is from OCRE, who listed 2 examples for this. The match is British Museum R.13854
    http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.ant.1338A

    British Museum example is on the left, mine is on the right:

    Marcus Aurelius - Sestertius as Caesar Fortuna standing TRP XI RIC 1338a - diematch comp.jpg

    I had one other question about this issue - mine has "slight" drapery left and right. This seems to be the case on about half the RIC 1338A examples that I found. The others have a completely bare bust. There is a fully-draped version RIC 1338B - the drapery is very obvious and not "slight." I was just wondering if RIC 1338A was divided further between "no drapery" and "slight"? OCRE doesn't make the distinction - the second example in the link above has no drapery (also British Museum).

    So does anybody think I have a die match? Or am I foolin' myself?
     
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  3. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    With NO credentials to back up my humble opinion, I say no. Posting because I want to read what the experts say.

    Steve
     
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  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Could also be two different dies engraved by the same celator. Each selator had a unique style, and different coins from different dies can look so familiar due to being the work of the same celator.
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    lQQks spot on to me...let's see what @TIF can do with her magic on this one...:)
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    To me too :).

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  7. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

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  8. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

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  9. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This is not a matter to take a poll on. Listen to TIF.

    This is slight drapery. I personally could care less about slight drapery and the difference between cuirassed and draped and cuirassed but there are people who live for sich matters. I do like full busts vs. heads and things that are easier for me to see.
     
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  11. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Thank you all so much for your input. This is my first die match ancient (that I know of) and it makes me feel my collection just became a little more "serious."

    Special thanks to TIF - I always wanted to own a coin that could pass the electronic TIF Test - this is so gratifying!

    Again, thanks to all!
     
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  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    hehe...yeah..:D
     
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Cool! I love this sort of thing!
     
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  14. Stevearino

    Stevearino Well-Known Member

    I'll yield to TIF.

    Steve
     
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  15. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    I prefer to follow Curtis Clay in his description of draped, semi-draped, slight drapery etc: draped = clothing seen all around (sometines cuirrass below drapes) bust can be seen from behind, aside and from front (very occasionally from behind, aside AND front which gives a distorted look)
    drapery on far shoulder and sometimes also fold of cloak in neck, as on the coin in question.
    I do not think it is necessary to distinguish any further.

    Frans
     
  16. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    That is very helpful. Thanks, Frans.
     
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