Valerian II - JOVI CRESCENTI (new)

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    This coin depicts the young Jupiter riding on the goat Amalthea, hearkening back to Greek Mythology and the raising of the young King of the Gods in a cave on a mountain in Crete, where Zeus was nursed by the goat. It is possible that the allusion intended here was to the "rising" Valerian Junior, the son of Gallienus.

    I purchased the coin because of the unusually good reverse detail and good silver (seller's photo) and once received (knock on wood) I will post my own picture. If you have seen this type before the reverses are often poorly struck or were the product of worn dies.

    From this we can conclude that it was a common type at the time.

    Please feel free to share your Valerian II JOVI CRESCENTI types or CONSECRATIO coins, or any old Valerian II you may have.

    Valerian II, AR antoninianus, 23 mm 4.2 grams

    Struck: 257-258, Cologne.

    Obverse: VALERIANVS CAES, radiate, draped bust right

    Reverse: IOVI CRESCENTI, the child Jupiter sitting right on the goat Amalthea, looking left, right hand raised, left hand holding the goat's horn.

    Reference: RIC 3 (Lyons); Cohen 26 (Saloninus); Elmer 67a; Goebl 0907e; Sear 10731.

    valerianII.jpg
     
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  3. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Ah, another cabrito coin!...I love cabrito! :happy::singing:;)
     
  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I've never tried it. I admit I had to google "cabrito" to see what it was.
     
  5. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Cooked correctly (I prefer it roasted on an open grill/fire) it is superb! It's popular in Mexican restaurants & we have a Mexican butcher shop about 6 mi. away that always has it available. It's also good cooked like a pot roast (like in a Dutch oven) w/vegetables. :hungry::happy:
     
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I will give this a try. They may have it at Picante, a Mexican restaurant I go to here in Berkeley on occasion. Sounds really good!
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Nice one, ACH! You're right; a nice reverse is hard to come by on this issue. Here's mine, struck with the typically heavily worn-out reverse die:

    Valerian II IOVI CRESCENTI.jpg Valerian II IOVI CRESCENTI Sulzer listing.JPG
     
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  8. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    Sometimes it's not on the menu, you have to ask for it (maybe call ahead).
     
  9. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Or even strange planchets....

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    Valerian II, antoninianus - Cologne mint, AD 257-258
    VALERIANVS CAES, radiate and draped bust of Valerian junior right
    IOVI CRESCENTI, Young Jupiter on back of goat Amalthea right
    3.66 gr
    Ref : RCV # 10731, Cohen #26


    Others Valerian II

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    Valerian II, Antoninianus - Cologne mint, AD 258
    DIVO VALERIANO CAES, radiate and draped bust right
    CONSACRATIO (sic), Valerian II raising hand and holding sceptre on an eagle flying right
    1.70 gr
    Ref : Cohen # 5, RCV # 10606


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    Valerian II, Antoninianus - Rome mint, AD 258
    DIVO CAES VALERIANO, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust of Valerianus junior right
    CONSECRATIO, altar
    2.88 gr
    Ref : RCV # 10608, RIC # 24, RSC # 13

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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice examples @Cucumbor - I'm thinking I have to get one of those CONSECRATIO coins as well.
     
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  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I believe this coin is probably one of the last struck in decent silver, along with the Consecratio types. Soon after we have those mass-produced silver washed antoniniani. I'm wondering when the decision was made to go for total debasement.
     
  12. Orange Julius

    Orange Julius Well-Known Member

    Mine isn't as nice as @Cucumbor 's beautiful coin but shows that they were getting pretty debased by this time. You can see a bit of the porosity caused by the lost bronze/copper and a bit of bronze coloring on the letter-tops.

    ...it's still a fun coin though but I need to get one with that great kid-like bust as shown on coins above. The bust on this coin reminds me of Augustus Gloop from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory.

    ValerianIIRIC24.jpg
     
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  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Obv:– DIVO VALERIANO CAES, Radiate & draped bust right
    Rev:– CONSACRATIO, Eagle flying right, bearing the deceased young Caesar to heaven.
    Minted in Rome (Posthumous issue). A.D. 257-258
    Reference(s) – RIC 9. RSC 5.

    4.13 gms, 22.36mm. 180 degrees

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  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    There was a bit of mix-up with the dealer in shipping out the coin but it finally was sent on the 18th. Should get it in the next few days. Then I will photograph the coin.
     
  16. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    I can't believe the timing. My example of the type you are showing, @ancient coin hunter, just arrived today from Leu. I like the goat detail on the coin you showed, ACH. It's a bit different than the one I have.

    Here's my example of the OP coin:
    1valrnII02-le80-sm.jpg

    and here's another life issue with the sacrificial implements reverse:
    P LIC VALERIANVS CAES // PIETAS AVGG (father and son)
    2valrnII01-an49-sm.jpg

    For Consecratio:
    Here is the DIVO apotheosis in which Val II rides skyward on an eagle (male counter to the peacock?):
    DIVO VALERIANO CAES // CONSACRATIO
    3valrnII01-le80-sm.jpg


    Those above are in fairly good silver. These next are lower grades of billon, but have revised the spelling of the reverse inscription. The obverse portraits are more mature.

    This CONSECRATIO shows the eagle alone:
    DIVO CAES VALERIANO
    4valrnII01-bm72-sm.jpg

    and one more in rather base billon showing an altar/pyre with flame:
    DIVO CAES VALERIANO
    5valrnII01-bm56-sm.jpg
    Note that on the earlier pieces he has a boyish appearance, but on this last he is styled as a young man.
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2019
  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice coins @lrbguy - the coincidence with the timing is pretty interesting.
     
  18. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Update. Still waiting for the coin to arrive. The seller has pointed out that it is in customs. Hope I get it one of these days - ordered on July 8th. (Waits impatiently!)
     
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  19. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    The wait is tough! Just this past week I recieved two shipments, one from a purchase made on 6/31 from Canada, the other from a purchase made 6/16 from Isreal... I feel for you! (and posts will be forthcoming lol)
     
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  20. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    The coin arrived and I snapped a couple of photos a few minutes ago. Here you go:

    valerianII1.jpg

    valerianII2.jpg

    Nice bright metal!!!
     
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  21. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I am now looking to purchase a Valerian II sestertius, plus a Gallienus example from early in his reign. It is during the sole reign of Gallienus that the sestertius virtually disappeared from circulation. Not sure how older sestertii still in circulation were tariffed against the now base-metal antoniniani, but it is an interesting academic question.
     
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