Terrible British coins after William the Conqueror, Part 3, Stephen

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  1. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    When Henry I died, he had only one surviving child, the Empress Matilda. Matilda had been married to the Holly Roman Emperor. That accounted for her title which met nothing after he died. She had had experience in running a kingdom while she had been married to the emperor and was probably qualified to be a head of state.

    Unfortunately the nobles of the time would have none of that. During this period a Queen of England could only be the wife of a king. She could represent the king at events, and even run the government for a short time when the king was out of the country, but she could not rule alone. Henry had made the nobles accept Matilda as their queen, but after he died, they went back one their word. A little less than 400 years later, King Henry VIII was undoubtedly well aware of this history, which explains some of his behavior, but I’m getting ahead of myself.

    Instead of Matilda, Stephen became the king. Stephen was the nephew of William the Conqueror. He had no direct claim to the crown.

    Matilda pushed for her rightful place which resulted in the first English civil war after the rise of William the Conqueror. She came close to getting a coronation but never quite made it. Famously she once escaped imprisonment by dressing in a white robe that blended in with the snow to make an escape. Ironically Matilda’s son would become king. This was not the only time that parent would fail to become queen only to have her son become king.

    Stephens coins are pretty bad. I found this one in a Heritage auction and won it. It might not look like much to some, but it really does have a “wow factor.”

    Stephen Penny O.jpg Stephen Penny R.jpg

    There are also coins for Matilda, but they so rare that dealers speak of them in legendary terms. One dealer told me he had one 35 years ago the he now regrets selling. The piece had been broken in half and held together with glue. In my Internet searches I found a reference to another Matilda piece that similar problem that had a “museum repair.” I found pictures, but I’m not sure about the copyright issue so I won’t post them here. Needless to say, Matilda is on my “cannot obtain list” along with Edward V and Edward VIII.
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    That is a wonderful coin of Stephen I have rarely seen one so nice
     
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  4. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    From a position of pure ignorance of the style and period, I'd say the coin has appeal even beyond its fascinating story.
     
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  5. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    That is a lovely Stephen as well! Here’s my monster (bold portrait, but little else to add to it:

    Med-09a-Eng-1136-Stephen-D-Watford-London-Adelard-1278.jpg
    England
    Stephen, r. 1135-1154 (c. 1136-45)
    London Mint, AR Watford Type Penny, 19.17mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: S[TIEFNE RE]X. Bust right, crowned and diademed, holding sceptre in right hand
    Rev.: ADEL[ARD : ON : LVN]. Cross moline with fleur in each angle
    Ref. North 873, SCBC 1278, CC99 ST1D-005, De Wit 3189
    Write-up here.

    I recall seeing two Matilda’s offered at auction last year! I think they were both on CNG, but my memory could be wrong.
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I saw one on Dix Noonan Webb several months ago.
     
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  7. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I am too old to figure out how to the Matilda coins from an English dealer.
     
  8. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    What a fantastic Stephen portrait!!
     
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  9. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    97A3B5F1-FA82-489A-888C-A07C727AD29E.jpeg Flat portrait, and the coin is broken and repaired, but it is a coin of Matilda
     
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  10. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Nice Nap! Is that a new acquisition??
     
  11. Rudy1198

    Rudy1198 Member

    This makes me think of the two figure type depicting both Stephen and Matilda. I really like it since it depicts both people standing. The reverse is especially nice as well.

    Link to CNG:
    https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=200513
     
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  12. Nap

    Nap Well-Known Member

    Yes from recent DNW

    A very rare type and one on my wish list. The Matilda on that coin is Matilda of Boulogne, queen consort to Stephen and a remarkable woman in her own right. One of only two queen consorts to appear on an English coin.
     
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