1909 penny question

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Vess1, Apr 12, 2008.

  1. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    If a seller is selling a 1909 VDB wheat penny as a 1909-P, what does the 'P' stand for? There's no P mint mark on the coin.
     
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  3. jon67

    jon67 Loves Lincoln's

    philidelphia. and they (philidelphia) didnt use a mintmark on cents.
     
  4. Soda Ant

    Soda Ant Senior Member

    "P" is for the Philadelphia Mint. U.S. cents made in Philadelphia don't have mint marks.
     
  5. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    Thanks. That's what I was guessing but I wasn't sure. I didn't know that they didn't mark any cents though.
     
  6. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    I know this has probably been beaten to death here, but what causes the different appearances? Like red, red/brown or just brown?
     
  7. Mark Feld

    Mark Feld Rare coin dealer

    Many bronze/copper coins mellow/change from their original mint red color, due to reactions with the environment.
     
  8. Just Carl

    Just Carl Numismatist

    Most metals combine with the Oxygen in the air and create a new compound. With many coins, such as pennies (cents) the darkening of the coin is usually due to the Copper combining with Oxygen to form Cu20. Originally the cent was a combination of metals of Copper, Zinc, Tin. In addition to the Copper Oxydizing, some of the Zinc and Tin also Oxidize. This new compound being formed of those metals and the Oxygen will slowly change the coin from the original Brassy, bright color to the darkening brownish color.
    Some Copper coins also begin to form a greenish patina. This is also due to the combining of moisture and carbon dioxide in the air to form Copper Carbonate.
     
  9. Troodon

    Troodon Coin Collector

    Yep... since 1980, Philadelphia has put a "P" on anything they mint, except for cents still... tradition, I guess.
     
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