50c kennedy 12,69gr ???

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  1. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    If 12.69 is barely within tolerance, I'd expect to see very few coins weighing that much. I might well weigh all my 1964 halves without finding one. I don't have that many, but even if I did, I could spend hours or days weighing them without proving anything conclusively -- especially if you've already reached your conclusion.

    Edit: And so far, you can't post evidence that the wider tolerance quoted in the book is incorrect. Where ARE those websites with corrections to the book?
     
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  3. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    That of the enlarged tolerance from 0.097 to 0.259 in 1964 50c 900AR coins is a FAKE NEWS because there are no official documents of the American treasure that impose this indication. If there are no official documents then the tolerance always remained the one used for centuries for the 900AR. The tolerances were expanded by logic with the subsequent 400AR coins
     
  4. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    It was a serious mistake to mint coins in 1964 in the AR900, as many 900AR Franklin brokers were withdrawn and merged for many years. Imagine ordering from the American treasury to raise the tolerance from 0.097 to 0.259. There are no treasure documents on this false news reported in the numismatic books. The tolerances were raised for the year 1965 with the consequent use of AR400 / CU600.
     
  5. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    Ordering the minting of 900AR coins with a face value of half a dollar was A SERIOUS MISTAKE even more if it widened the tolerances. In 1964 silver in the market approached and then broke the $ 2 ounce barrier. Not only the intrinsic value exceeds the facial value but there are also the logostical costs for the production of the coins to be added. The Kennedy in 64 had to be a 400AR as for the 65/70 or if you wanted to use 900AR you had to think ONE dollar Kennedy facial and not a half $
     
  6. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    It is very probable that someone in Philadelphia raised the tolerances and there were lots with OW pieces (over weight 12.50gr) that the machines let pass, how many of these were melted and how many today there are 50c64 coins that exceed the 12,60gr tollerance. To understand this starting to weigh those that you have kept at home to have a census of this OW pieces accomplices of a double clamorous mistake that perhaps start from the American treasure !!!
     
  7. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    Making a coin in 3 months after the kennedy presidential assassination was too accelerated and several mistakes were made after the Franklin coins the silver market no longer allowed to produce half dollars with AR900. Widening tolerances was a reference to new compositions using 600/1000 copper. Too much confusion and haste to enhance a 50c kennedy in AR900 by widening the tolerances. When they realized the serious mistake many OW pieces (over weight) were already distributed. How many of these survive today ??? I found 11 pieces of '64 I found only 1 of 12.69gr and you ??
     
  8. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    ... it is already a miracle that today there are still 50c coins in 900 silver (produced until 1964). Just think of the 2 big market opportunities in September 1979 and April 2011 when the price of silver at the market reaches up to $ 50 an ounce. How many know how to resist not selling over these pieces "common circulating" that were paid over $ 15 a piece a good 30 times their face value !!!
     
  9. ilmcoins

    ilmcoins Well-Known Member

    If you decide to sell it let me know. I will pay melt value after you shave off the extra silver to bring it down to 12.5 grams. :greedy::pompous:
     
  10. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    The US government did not care about Franklin Brokers or any other brokers of business strike coins. They were made for commerce. Made for use in the United States. I already proved with math that the content of silver of a 90 percent silver half dollar was less than face value in 1964, even if ALL the pieces were minted at 12.759 grams.
     
  11. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    You are more stubborn than a mule. Your math doesn't make sense. Forget that in 64 silver go up to $ 2 ounce and then forget to add up the human and logistics costs to produce coins. However you prove to be able to understand certain speculative concepts
     
  12. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    America has many examples in the history of conflict of interest between politics and commoditys (gold ... argent..wti..corn and other) is not this first case. It is enough to have the intelligence to admit that it was a clamorous mistake to produce half dollars in 900 silver in 1964, knowing that the previous half-dollars Franklin 1948/63 would be merged into the market
     
  13. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    What is important is to know that after 40 days from my post no one today has succeeded in FINDING AND POSTING A 50c1964 of extra weight near the 12.69grams IN PHOTO. These are made the rest just blablabla !!!
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Given enough coins, motivation, and time, someone could.
     
  15. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Why is this troll being tolerated? He asked a question, and it was answered. Isn’t that enough, as opposed to a garbage thread? I am still waiting for the results of his Zerbe Morgan. Geez!!!
     
  16. gianni

    gianni Active Member

    Good news. Negative answer. NO ONE HAS found 50c64 of weight 12.69. So to deduce that there are very few survivors of an error of some to increase the tolerances
     
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Best Answer
    OK, you folks want primary documents here you go Public law 92 passed by the 80th congress June 14, 1947

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That section 3533 of the Revised Statutes (U. S. C., title 31, sec. 346) is amended by striking out the word "three-thousandths" and inserting in lieu thereof the word six-thousandths".

    Section 3536 of the Revised Statutes, as amended (U. S. C., title 31, sec. 349), is amended to read as follows: "In adjusting the weight of silver coins the following deviations shall not be exceeded in any single piece: In the dollar, six grains; in the half-dollar, four grains; in the quarter-dollar, three grains; and in the dime, one and one-half grains." Approved June 14, 1947.

    That changed the tolerance on the half dollar from 1.5 grains (.097 grams) to 4 grains (.259 grams)

    If you want to look at the statute itself
    https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/80th-congress/session-1/c80s1ch104.pdf

    It doesn't matter that you haven't been able to find a half dollar that heavy, the LEGAL tolerance is from 1947 to 1964 was +/- .259 grams. It was NOT a typo.
     
  18. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Still a garbage thread. Waste of our time.
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    You are the only one who cares.
    Just give it up.
    You have a common coin in a common condition.
     
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  20. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    THANK YOU!

    Would you be willing to share the strategy you used to find this? I'd looked for it unsuccessfully a number of times in the past, and other members in the same threads weren't able to come up with it, either. I'm guessing my biggest problem was that I'd zeroed in on the term "tolerance", which doesn't appear in the statute. It got me to 31 U.S. Code § 5113, but that doesn't have the info we needed.

    How can I catch the next fish myself?
     
  21. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Nominated for best answer. Can we please have this thread marked as answered now? Thanks!
     
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