Could damage be a strikethrough? 1941-s jefferson nickle 5s(?)

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by i2i, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    I know, I know. It looks like damage. Got it. The question is how to "mesh":
    1) rim strike only in "damaged" area, and ONLY this area.
    2) doubling of letters in vicinity of damage?
    3) rim doubling elsewhere on obverse?
    4) weak strike on bottom right of bust aligns with damage, and details.
    It could be that a foreign object caused misalignment of die, which struck the rim, and then shifted into place. Managing to compress the thickest portion of the foreign item? The foreign object caused: "damage", rim strike, weak strike in vicinity, push doubling?
    ...or all just coincidence? 20190627_102246.jpg 20190627_104008.jpg 20190627_105955.jpg 20190627_090117.jpg 20190627_110826.jpg 20190627_091619.jpg 20190627_102246.jpg
     
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  3. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    It could have been the rim of another coin after it left the striking chamber. It could be an elevator door in Macy's in 1975. Either way damage after it left the mint is PMD.
     
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  4. carra's coins

    carra's coins Jack The Ripper Sharpens His Knifes With Coins

    Since I have been collecting I think you can find more things wrong with nickels than any other coin mostly the letters. Buy the way look at the building on the left on the top edge how it is bent what does that tell you. I have one where on the building on the right side up on top it took a hit and the metal looks like it is pouring down the building. But you don't find very many where the stairs are still visible and the building is still pretty good saved by tall planchet didn't wear much.
     
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  5. cpm9ball

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    I truly believe that the OP should find another hobby, perhaps knitting.

    Chris
     
  6. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    Oh, can you give an educated member like myself tips on knitting?? I'm glad you see THIS hobby as so much superior than knitting! Lol
    Most people here have only negative things to say. It's a kids hobby, to be honest. If you take it more seriously, you are in too deep!
    I can only chalk your comments up to: poor reading comprehension, lack of true knowledge, jealousy and envy!
    Now, are you a good knitter?? Lol
     
  7. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    Thanks for looking deeper. So, many here cant get past the obvious. I saw the bldg damage but imo, I didnt think it was related to the obverse?
     
  8. carra's coins

    carra's coins Jack The Ripper Sharpens His Knifes With Coins

    I have a lot of them that have same damage but they mostly have all letters grooved not just a few if this was done after the fact then what is making it and why just a few and not more of it like what I have seen and you sometimes see a circle that will hit the edges of the building maybe vending machines but how could it just do a small part of coin. I have found that mostly the letters on reverse side have problems mostly the words five cents. I just recently found one with no O in monticello.
     
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  9. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    I gave ALL the variables to take into account but most cant. Its common. strike_through.jpg
    Here is a strikethrough example to educate some who cant contemplate how it could occur. Just PMD, right?
    IMAGINE that only the section through "trust" was struck through. Its rough and ugly. It is probably the reason the "S", in trust, is weak/blurry. And where is the "E" in liberty?
    A strikethrough of an object on the obverse could cause a poor strike AND even cause a poor strike on the reverse, since the coin could shift as the two die cant strike a solid coin. Shifting of the coin could lead to a corner of the bldg that appears to "run", again because the object on the obverse prevents solid contact of either die. Its unusual but THAT's what coin hunting is all about...
     
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  10. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    Thanks all but I knew this would not be the place for critical thought! Lol
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Damage takes zero critical thought.
    But understanding the difference might take more for some than others.
     
  12. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    Circular damage comes from high speed coin wrapping machines - the metal fingers dig out a groove. Run coins through the HSCWM enough times and the odds favor being the end coin at least ONCE... Makes it some of the most common damage (after road rash and general dings).
     
  13. carra's coins

    carra's coins Jack The Ripper Sharpens His Knifes With Coins

    Thanks for letting me know where all those grooves come from I did read about the way the mints now send their coins out to banks.
     
  14. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Now, see! There you go again, claiming that you're educated.

    Chris
     
  15. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    It's more than just that - all of the coins that come back in get counted and rolled by the same coin terminal process.
     
  16. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Education definitely spans to different levels. One being educated is still on different levels.

    I learned a little about the great depression today. If Ya'll didn't know the only folks that were hired and got jobs. Were the educated. It was a turn in our history when the smart land owner and hand was looked upon as someone lesser.

    This has been a continued process until now. This very day.

    To reiterate something heard. This is the only business in the united states that hasn't ever taken a hit for their incomes.

    An education should be free to all those willing to learn. That is why I like it here. If you want to learn we are here to help. And for the most part always willing depending on the question.

    If you find harm in the way you are treated. Then maybe you should quit blaming us for the way we teach.

    In other words.
    CYBYWR.
    Be careful of your words. I delved into
    Troubled waters.
     
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  17. i2i

    i2i Active Member

    The same thing occurred on this Lincoln penny I found today. If you can see past the irrelevant damage, you will see the same issues caused when an object doesnt allow solid contact, including the partial rim strike.
    This WILL cause a poor strike on the opposite side.
    Just like flowing building edges on the Jefferson reverse, you see flowing corners of lincolns vest. Also, the both have wavy lettering and minor doubling due to improper die alignment.
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  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Jefferson? You mean Lincoln.
    Where is the partial rim strike?
     
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