Spain 1737 2R and England 1673 3d

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by rexesq, Apr 10, 2008.

  1. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    The Spanish 1737 2 real coin was given to me by my father a while back, his neighbor had given it to him when he was a boy. Slightly off-center on one side, it has a small black spot on what I assume is the obverse. The edge is nice, and you can see the reeding all the way around the edge, showing that none has been shaved off.
    The British 1673 three pence has what looks like a flan flaw or something on the obverse at 5 o'clock, slightly visible from the reverse as well. Other than that, the detail is quite nice, Chas's little moustache is visible, as well as a berry or two in the laureate. I know that the flan flaw decreases the value, because I got it for a pretty low price. Can anyone give me an idea of how much it is worth, as well as how much it would be worth was it not for the flaw.? I have more pictures if needed.

    Thanks
    -rexesq
     

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  3. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    here's the rest.
     

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  4. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The 2 reales is worth about $70, the 3 pence about $10. If not for the flaw, maybe $20.
     
  5. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Whoa, seems you're right on the threepence. I could easily see it going for more, though.
     
  6. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    I see, sounds good to me. Thanks for your help. Would you happen to know the fineness of the silver of the Spanish 2 reales? And would I be correct to assume that the English 1673 3d is .925 fine?

    I was also wondering about this Groningen 1691 6 stuivers. It has a dent, or a punchmark at 3 o'clock on the reverse. And does anyone know the fineness of the silver in this one?

    Thanks again.
     

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  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The two, one and half reale pieces were struck in .8333 silver. Yes the British coin is .925 silver.

    As for the Netherlands coin, all that Krause ever says is - composition silver. But you can bet that it was a low grade silver. Many of the mints struck this denomination in billon, and they would not be very far apart on fineness. In that condition value is probably $30 or less.
     
  8. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    Great. Thanks again for your help, it is much appreciated. Were the four and eight real pieces struck in a different silver content?

    rexesq
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Originally the silver fineness for Spanish colonial silver, 8 & 4 reales, was .9305. In 1728 it was reduced to .9166. In 1771 it was reduced again to .9027.
     
  10. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    Interesting. I have one more to ask about... it is a Spanish colonial 1779-ME MJ two reales. Now I know that most late 18th century Spanish colonial two reale coins are not very valuable in low grades, but I was just wondering if this was a rare date or mintmark, perhaps? Also, I have been told that the 'ME' mintmark stands for 'Medina' and is for Lima, Peru. Is this correct?
    Thanks again.

    rexesq
     

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  11. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    3d would sell for around $50 in Uk.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    What looks like ME is actually LIMAE, and yes it includes all of the letters stamped over top one another. Yes it is Lima. And no, it is not a scarce date or mint mark. Value in that condition is maybe $15.
     
  13. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    Even with the flan flaw?


    LIMAE, I see, interesting. Well now I at least know what mint to write on the envelope. Thanks again.

    rexesq
     
  14. Stefan Pernar

    Stefan Pernar New Member

    The 1673 3 pence is listed as following in the 41st Edition of Spink:
    F: $12, VF: $40, EF: $150

    The 3rd Eddition of The Standard Catalog of World Coins:
    VG: $6.00, F: $10.00, VF: $22.00, EF: $45.00

    Some recent auctions on eBay of that type:

    1672/1 3d (360036578092) = $8.00
    1675 3d (120243754387) = $6.01
    1684 3d (270223597988) = $35.53

    I guess with luck you could get $30-40 US

    Cheers,

    Stefan
     
  15. rexesq

    rexesq Senior Member

    Thanks alot. I don't take it that they list a mintage for any of the above coins I've posted, do they?

    rexesq
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    No they do not. Spanish colonial mints did not keep track of mintage numbers, they kept track of the total weight of the slver minted in a given year and that covered all denominations.
     
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