Two more pieces of Chinese Junk

I was at my local club show today. One of the dealers had a couple of fake Chinese pieces that he had unfortunately purchased over the counter at his store. These pieces were included in a much larger lot of commemorative half dollars, and they slipped by him.

The first is a really bad 1925 California commemorative. The surfaces on this piece have bubbles and the lettering is weak.

Here is a genuine coin.



The second piece is a Vermont. The obverse on this fake is a little deceptive although the lettering runs into the rough rims. Note the spikes on the letters in "In God we trust" on the reverse.



Here is a genuine coin.



The dealer told me that he didn't realize that the Chinese were copying the classic commemorative coins. Unfortunately they are copying substantial portions of what is covered in "The Red Book."

 

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Thanks for sharing.

 

They are copying everything from 1794 dollars to 1958 wheat cents. The logic of “this is too common to be worth faking” should be thrown out the window, stomped on, and then sent through the garbage disposal.

 

How do you know they were produced in China? It sounds like a fact while I believe it’s an assumption.

 

Because the fabric of the pair matches exactly to counterfeits known with 100% certainty to have come from China.

An example:

 

Interesting. Can you elaborate please?

 

It also helps that they are die matches to examples for sale from Chinese wholesalers:

 

Maybe some 400 lb guy in his mom’s basement in NJ is making these gems

 

Sure!

https://brna.org/2019/05/28/modern-chinese-counterfeits-of-united-states-coins/

 

I don’t see the relationship to your (?) Bust Quarter. Commemorative coins aren’t shown nor mentioned either on Alan’s web site. It’s still an assumption to me.

@johnmilton thanks for sharing these counterfeits. I didn’t want to derail your thread.

 

Mushiness, granular surfaces, and raised pimples. They are all characteristics of Chinese fakes (which I have a about a hundred of, all shipped from China).

That’s my article, and if you read it, it discusses in-depth the general characteristics of fakes from China. It does not matter what kind of coin it is; know the general characteristics, and you can apply them to all Chinese fakes.

Look at where these are being shipped from. Now are you satisfied that we are not making baseless assumptions?

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33022397263.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1961843616.html

 

No, I am not satisfied, the Aliexpress coins say COPY, while John’s coins don’t. Knowing the “general characteristics” doesn’t cut it for me. Let’s stop it here please.

 

Why are you trying to divert attention from a problem we have been coping with for years? The Chinese counterfeiters have be bedeviling us for over ten years. They are doing their part to ruin this hobby out of pure greed. Their products have a consistent look. You will know after you have examined them over a long period of time. Please don’t defend the indefensible.

 

And yet if you order those Aliexpress coins, you'll find that their manufacturing process still apparently has some glitches, because the COPY stamp is almost always absent on the coins you actually receive.

 

Before or after certain glands and body parts of the folks manufacturing and selling them?

 

The coins are NOT struck with the word COPY. A select few are stamped afterwards to make the product appear okay to market. I bought some examples to see if they would arrive with the COPY stamp, and they did not.

That DOES NOT change the fact that the two pairs of coins SHARE THE SAME DIAGNOSTICS THAT PROVE THEY WERE STRUCK FROM THE SAME DIES!!!

No. I will continue to counter any and all misinformation on this extremely important topic.

 

These are fairly bad copies, especially the California. Perhaps the maker wanted to recoup some money out of them by making them "legit" by putting the "COPY" stamp on them.

 

Yeah, these guys have been at it for a long time, but the 'preyed' upon people have been the ones looking to make a quick buck, with a lack of knowledge in the realm of collecting. Any collector worth his salt would pass on these examples........