3 Flavians on one coin: Vespasian dynastic denarius

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  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Several nice and scarce Flavian denarii have popped up in the last day or so on Vcoins. the seller was Germania Inferior Numismatics. They are great to deal with as I have bought from them before.

    I have been looking for one of these for quite a while. Whenever they have appeared in the last few years they have brought spirited bidding. I hesitated briefly with this coin thinking that perhaps a better one might come along. However, I did not want to wait another 2-3 years so I bought it. It is a far from perfect coin. In fact it is quite worn. However, given how long I waited I will be happy to admit this coin to my collection.

    Please post your favorite coins of Vespasian, Titus, or Domitian.

    Vespasian AR Denarius 20 Dec 69 CE to early 70 CE
    18 mm 3.25 g
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; laureate head of Vespasian r
    Rev: TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAES PRIN IV; Titus and Domitian seated left on curule chairs, each holding a branch
    RIC 6
    Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics on Vcoins June 14, 2019

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  3. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Nice addition! I really like the first coins of the Flavians. I have recently shown my favorite Vespasian. That's why I show my other. The picture is worn. But it is not easy to photograph this coin because of its dark toning.
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    Vespasianus Denarius, struck AD 72-73 at Rome mint.
    Obv: IMP CAES VESP A-VG PM COS IIII, laureate head right.
    Rev: VICTORIA AVGVSTI, Victory standing right, holding wreath and palmbranch, Trophaeum in front of her.
    2,86 g, 18 mm.
    RIC 362 Ex Sondermann numismatics
     
  4. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Nice one Andrew! Here's mine I got last year

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    IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Laureate head right

    TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAES PRIN IV
    Titus and Domitian seated left on curule chair, each holding a branch.

    Rome 69-70 AD

    2.83g

    RIC 6 (R); BMCRE pg. 8 note; RSC 541.

    Rare

    Ex-Barry Murphy
     
  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Here are three Flavians on a crappy coin:
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    VESPASIAN
    AE3
    OBVERSE: KAICAP OYECΠACIANOC TOMI, laureate head of Vespasian right
    REVERSE: TITOC KAICAP ΔOMITIANOC KAICAP, confronted busts of Titus (left) and Domitian
    Struck at Tomis, Moesia Inferior, 69-79AD
    3.1g, 17mm
    RPC II 402
     
  6. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    And here are three Flavians on an eastern coin :)
    Like the style...

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    Vespasian, denarius.
    Ephesus mint, 70 A.D.
    RIC 1411, RSC 249.
    3.37 gr.
    Obv. IMP CAESAR VESPAS AVG COS II TR P P P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, right.
    Rev. LIBERI IMP AVG VESPAS; Titus and Domitian, togate, veiled, standing left, each holding patera in right hand, left hands at sides.
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Andrew, what a wonderful coin! It's actually not from Rome, but from Lugdunum. The portrait style and 'TR P' in the obverse legend are key.

    My example is a bit worn too.

    V1124.jpg Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.06g
    Lyon mint, 71 AD
    RIC 1124 (R). BMC 393. RSC 544.
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG TR P; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAESARES PRIN IVEN; Titus and Domitian std. l., on curule chairs, with branches
    Ex Harry N. Sneh Collection.
     
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  8. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Hi David,

    Thanks so much for the correction. Regarding the obverse legend I guess I saw what I expected to see. What you did not know is that I have been actively seeking a Vespasian denarius Struck in Lyon for months. I could never find one for sale. how interesting that I bought one not knowing what it was.


    Thanks for sharing your example.

    Here is the corrected attribution.


    Vespasian AR Denarius 71 CE
    18 mm 3.25 g
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG TR P; laureate head of Vespasian r
    Rev: TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAESARES PRIN IVEN; Titus and Domitian seated left on curule chairs, each holding a branch
    RIC 1124
    Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics on Vcoins June 14, 2019
     
  9. octavius

    octavius Well-Known Member

    The first aureus is a dynastic issue with both Titus and Domitian riding horseback on the reverse. 3 Flavians on one coin. 2rGYrGe6X8PpTc5SE35y4tQsF9tzgm.jpg 1077AUVESLG.jpg 964984.jpg An7Ag4EFKH8yC9pD2siWj5Bj6tzNs3.jpg 3230338.jpg 496982.jpg 4GrTg7iMY6q25AgbwoR63XyBX9ad8w.jpg m46094.jpg 155390.jpg
     
  10. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    Three Flavians on one coin? You got it:
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

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    Our coins are opposite. You got the reverse right legend and I got the left. I decided to keep this one and sell off my three head coin because of the Eastern style and mintmark in exergue. I realize there is more demand for the three heads but I really like the Eastern denarii.
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great capture Mr Andrew!!! Father and sons... great family portrait.

    Hands down, The V-man is my man! Titus was good, but Vespy nailed it!

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    RI Vespasian 69-79 CE AR Denarius Jupiter Sacrificing
     
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  13. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Vespasian; 69-79 AD. AR denarius (3.2 gm); Dynastic issue. Ephesos mint. Obv: His laur. hd., r. Rev: Titus and Domitian standing l., each veiled and holding a patera. EPHE (PH ligate) in exergue. RPC 832; RIC 331; RSC 250.
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Can someone explain the interpretation of the various Eastern mintmarks on these coins? We have EPE which seem obviously Ephesus but the o and BY have been listed as that city by some leaving me confused.
     
  15. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    The answer seems to be that the experts don't know. As you indicate, there are various reverse mint marks. Mattingly suggests that there is a chance that the Φ mint mark stands for Philippi (See RPC II, p. 126). However, RPC concludes that mint marks other than EPHE, which seems to be conclusive for Ephesos, "remain perplexing."
     
  16. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    There are die links with all the various mintmarks with each other, indicating one mint for the whole series. Since one of the mintmarks is EPHE, Ephesus has been named as the most likely location.
     
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  17. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    That leaves open the possibility that those were not mintmarks in the general sense of the word but something else. Before this time what mintmarks were used other than the Lugdunum ball on the point of the bust? I am no proposing this as the answer but would like to see someone investigate other meanings for the marks. I'm thinking something like we much, much later saw on British silver making the source of the metal (Vigo, Lima).
     
  18. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    No doubt they are internal control marks of some kind, but for what purpose is a mystery. A clue perhaps: certain mint marks are paired with particular COS dates, i.e., EPHE with COS III. There is a sequence of dated usage for these mint(control) marks.
     
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