Anyone like blue nickels?

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Oh yea, that nice.

Very nice color blue. I bet it is much nicer in hand. Care to send it to me to see....haha.

Seriously, I wonder what facilitates the blue toning. I seen more Jefferson's then Buffs with that color.

Looks slabbed. Care to share the grade. I will say MS65. That a good middle of the road. Most likely a 64, no I don't know why just a guess.

Thanks for sharing!!!

Allen

 

Beautiful!

I have a Jefferson with Deep Cobalt blue. Awesome and then some.

Thanks for sharing!

 

Same here, what causes that?

 

Mine came out of a roll of Black Beauties actually.

Problems with the annealing process in the 50s. Many coins came out black but a few came out with fantastic colors.

 

awesome!
I gotta get me one of those some day...

 

Its is funny, but remember the pink cent I had put up abour 10 days ago... its was mentioned in that thread that heat causes the "pinkness"... so I experimented and put some coins in the oven for baking... and voila... the nickel came out blue!
(again sorry about the bad pictures, I am having to work off a camra phone here...)

Anyways, although your coin above may not be toned in the same way, one way to get blue color is heat- Whatever it is, it is one pretty coin!
They are the same composition I believe...

And just for reference, the cent turned a glowing deep orange and then a pale yellow...

 

sweet, that coin is a beauty

 

I've put some modern nickels on my car's dashboard for a month and they tone up either gold with pink or a light blue. I wanted to see how heat effected the metals (I've done the same with Lincolns, dimes and quarters as well). They may get "baked" in the roll during shipping. If they are traveling around where I live, it's not unreasonable to assume the back of an armored truck could reach 200 degrees in summer, if not air-conditioned. This may account for some toning on some moderns like I've seen in circulation. Just a theory of course.
Guy~

 

On some of my Canadian cents, heat seems to turn the coins a purplish hue (at least I think it was caused by heat).

Is this kind of heat discoloration considered "damage" or "artifical toning"? What's the popular consensus in grading circles?

 

But isn't heat simply speedling up the natural process? As long as no chemicals are used... how can one say that keeping a coin in the sun is AT? I can see there is some fine and subtle line out here somewhere...

 

I know that many "artifically toned" coins have been slabbed and some naturally toned coins have been body bagged for being artifical by the TPGs.

It would be interesting to find out how they determine what's fake and what's not (besides using spider-sense) and what collectors should look for to avoid artifically toned coins.

 

Very Nice! Some toned coins are really-really nice! Thanks for sharing!!!

Darryl

 

To tell you guys the truth, I have always thought the nickel I posted to be AT.
I actually thought others here would also think so. SEGS gave it MS67.

 

Always bothered me too. If you leave a coin sitting on a car's dashboard and it tones, isn't that natural? If you speed it up on a stove it is now considered un-natural. If you purposely put a coin in the ground and it turns red or yellow after a few years is that natural? If you heat dirt with a coin in it now it is supposed to be AT?
Similar now with diamonds. If in the ground for a few million years it is a natural diamond. If produced in a machine, as we now can and do, it is not a real diamond???????? Atomically it is the same. However, such produced diamonds are considered not really a true diamond. Same with coins as far as I can tell. Atomically a toned coin is a toned coin.
Toning, tarnishing, corroding, tinting are all just reactions of a metal with other elements either over a period of time or rushed by artificial means. However, I just don't see the difference.

 

That's exactgly the reason I usually avoid toned coins. Besides the fact I usually don't care for toning... the few times I see a piece with what I consider to be attractive toning there's just no way of knowing whether it's artificial or not. Not even the experts seem to know or agree, so what chance do I have? Not only do the experts disagree on whether a given coin is artificially toned or not... they can't even agree on what "artifical toning" even means. This all adds up to it being silly to pay a premium for toning... collect what you like of course... but it just seems a waste to pay a cent more for a toned coin that it would otherwise be worth without the toning when it is so easy to fake and even the experts can't agree on what toning is real or not.

I guess it depends on semantics and/or opinion whehter or not intentionally doing something to a coin to cause it to tone automatically makes the toning artificial or not. If being in a certain environment would cause the coin to tone naturally, is it still natural when you intentionally put the coin in that type of environment? Why is it natural when a silver coin tones by being in the bottom of a bank bag made with sufurous chemicals, but artificial if you intentionally expose a coin to those same chemicals on purpose? What's the difference? Chemically, there isn't one; it all boils down to opinion and personal preference basically. I've seen some coins which most would call "artificially toned" that look much better than so-called real toning... the whole notion not only that you can tell what's artficial and what isn't... or even if any coin can truly be artificially toned or not... seems rather notional at best... Perhaps we should start using the term "intentionally toned" instead? Even then, you wouldn't always be able to tell... so why bother making the distinction in the first place, for that matter? The reasonable thing to do is to say that toning should not add or subtract anything to the value of a coin it seems... but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Not as long as there are people who will pay extra for what they subjectively deem to be attractive toning. And as long as those people exist, sellers will find a way to intentionally tone coins... at some point they will get so good at it that nobody will ever be able to tell an artificially toned coin from a naturally toned one. What happens then? Probably the end of toning adding any premium to a coin I suppose... why wait? Do that now... if people stop paying the premiums sellers will have to quit charging them eventually.

Of course collect whatever you like, even artificially toned coins if you so desire. I'll stick to the non-toned coins lol... they're cheaper and I like the way they look better, so it's a win-win for me if people keep paying the big bucks for toned coins.

 

Well is it just me, for some reason I feel that when I look at US coins in NGC PCGS holders (I am only aquinted with post 1920s coins), that the toned coins grade better? It seems that some coins that end up MS66 have the same detail and strike as an MS62 but are just nicely toned. Or maybe I can't make out the detail clearly through all the toning. Ah well.
I agree though, toning is pretty much whatever you choose it to be. After fiddling with some pocket change and a heater/oven, I have got some really nice looking coins out of what normally I would hardly give a second glance at. Personally I feel that a toned coin is a toned coin, no matter how it got colored -if you like the color and the coin surface isnt riddled with holes, why should I care if the coin was placed in a bag of garlic or else was toning in some attic chest. I would now be petrified to pay a premuin for a toned coin... especially when I could probably do it myself "artificially" (helllllooo my reverse proof eagle ) for my own enjoyment.