Otho in pieces

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Marsman, Jun 13, 2019.

  1. Marsman

    Marsman Well-Known Member

    No, this is not my fault. Didn't drop the coin. I bought this Otho denarius in this poor condition. Broken but repaired. I paid only about ten percent of the price that I had paid if this coin had never been broken.

    For me that's not a problem. I like coins with scratches, holes, etc. For me it means that they have been around :)
    Most of you (my wild guess) would probably never buy a coin in this shape.
    Of course I like to know if there are others with broken (and maybe repaired) coins who love them ;)

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    Otho, denarius
    Rome mint.
    2,89 g. 19 mm.
    Obv. IMP M OTHO CAESAR AVG TR P, bare head right
    Rev. SECVRITAS P R, Securitas standing left, holding wreath and sceptre.
    RIC 8
     
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  3. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    It's still an ancient coin, and if the price was right (and it sounds like it was) I think you did well.

    My Otho is rather budget friendly, though in one piece...

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  4. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    My first, and only, Julius Caesar portrait coin was cut many years ago. I have several that were broken or cut. Some of them use when I let YNs (young numismatists) hold an ancient coin.
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  5. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    My Augustus denarius is broken on one little side, but I love it still!
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    Augustus, Ruled 27 BC-14 AD
    AR Denarius, Lugdunum Mint, Struck 2 BC-4 AD

    Obverse: CAESAR AV[GVS]TVS DIVI F PATER PATRIAE Laureate head of Augustus to right.
    Reverse: AVGV[STI F C]OS [DESIG PRINC IVVENT] / [C] L CAESARES•, Gaius and Lucius Caesar standing, each, togate, resting hand on shield and spear, simpulum, left, and lituus, right, flanking, right and left respectively
    References: RIC 210, RSC 43c
    Size: 19.5mm, 3.6g
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have no problem with "not in perfect condition" coins. In fact, I have several. My only requirement is that the devices are not affected.

    Here is an Augustus I've shown many times:
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    AUGUSTUS
    AR Denarius
    OBVERSE: AVGVSTUS DIVI F, bare head right
    REVERSE: Bull butting right
    IMP X in exergue
    Lugdunum 15-13 BC
    3.7g, 18mm
    RIC I 167a, BMC 451. C 137, CBN 1382

    And here is a man-bull from Gela
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    GELA, SICILY
    AR Litra
    OBV: Naked horseman galloping left holding spear & shield
    REV: Forepart of man-headed bull right
    Struck at Gela, Sicily, 425BC
    0.36g; 13mm
    SNG Cop 275, BMC 52, Jenkins 405; HGC 2 374
     
  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I liked it better when it was whole...

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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

  9. josephrg

    josephrg Member

  10. Ryro

    Ryro Trying to remove supporter status

    Broken or not, that is a dang good looking Otho portrait in the op post.
    Here's some busted beauties of mine.

    An augmented Augustus/cut coin:

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    Not quit O shaped Otho/partial provincial:
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    Busted Balbinus/damaged denarius
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  11. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I don't own any broken coins, something I couldn't stand, no matter how rare or cheap it could be.

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    Otho (69 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billon Tetradrachm
    O: ΑΥΤΟΚ ΜΑΡΚ ΟΘΩΝΟΣ ΚΑΙΣ ΣΕΒ, laureate head right; L A (date) to right.
    R:ΡΩΜΗ, helmeted and cuirassed bust of Roma right, holding shield and spear.
    13.4g
    23mm
    Dattari (Savio) 330; K&G 18.9; RPC I 5362; Emmett 186.1

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    Otho (69 A.D.)
    Egypt, Alexandria
    Billon Tetradrachm
    O: AYTOK MAPK OΘΩNOΣ KAIΣ ΣEB, laureate head right, LA (year 1) lower right.
    R: EΛEY-ΘEPIA, Eleutheria (Liberty) standing left, wreath in extended right hand, scepter in left hand, leaning with left elbow on column, simpulum (ladle used for tasting and pouring sacrificial libations) left in lower left field.
    12.58g
    24.4mm
    Milne 359; RPC I 5354 (5 spec.); Dattari 327; BMC Alexandria p. 25, 208; Curtis 238; Kampmann 18.6; Emmett 184

    Ex. Jyrki Muona Collection

    This variety with a simpulum on the reverse is much rarer than the same type without this control symbol. RPC reports only 5 specimens with the simpulum and 17 specimens without it. This variety is missing from the important collections in Cologne, Paris, and Milan, and we know of only one example offered at auction in the past two decades (CNG 76, 12 Sep 2007, lot 3152, VF, $430 plus fees).


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  12. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  13. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Some of my coins from the category "damaged but cherished:"

    The chip at 1 o'clock doesn't really bother me. Would it bother you?
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    Otacilia Severa, Roman Empire, AE sestertius, 244–249 AD, Rome mint. Obv: MARCIA OTACIL SEVERA AVG; bust of Otacilia Severa, diademed, draped, r. Rev: PVDICITIA AVG; Pudicitia, draped, veiled, seated l., r. hand drawing veil and holding sceptre in l. hand; in exergue, SC. 31mm, 17.62g. Ref: RIC IV, Philip I 209. Ex Artemide, eLive auction 7, lot 271.

    A holed coin. Generally speaking, I'd prefer an example without the damage. Yet I bought this one partly because it was cheap, and partly since I reckoned that every collection should contain at least one coin with a hole for ilustrative purposes.

    Makedonien – Philip II, 1:5 Tetradrachme, Apollo und Reiter.png
    Philip III Arrhidaios (in the types of Philip II), Kingdom of Macedonia, AR 1/5 tetradrachm, 323–317 BC, Amphipolis mint. Obv: head of Apollo right, wearing tainia. Rev: [Φ]IΛIΠΠ[OY]; horseman riding right; branch below. 13mm, 1.78g. Ref: Le Rider pl. 46, 28; Troxell, Studies, Group 8, 385.

    My favorite damaged coin. Why did someone in antiquity decide to scratch out Antoninus Pius' face?

    Rom – Antoninus Pius, denarius, Altar, antike Beschädigungen.png
    Antoninus Pius, Roman Empire, denarius, 145–161 AD, Rome mint. Obv: ANTONINVS AVG PIVS PP, laureate head of Antoninus Pius right. Rev: COS IIII, thunderbolt on altar. 16.5mm, 4.02g. RIC III, 137.

    A heavy strike made a piece of the flan chip off. You can see outlines of the legend on the metal below the spalled part. I consider this an interesting trace of the minting process, others might call it damage and shy away from buying such a coin.

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    Nerva, Roman Empire, denarius, 97 AD, Rome mint. Obv: IMP NERVA CAES AVG GERM PM TR P II, laureate head of Nerva right. Rev: IMP II COS IIII PP, Aequitas standing left, holding scales and cornucopiae. 18mm, 2.98g. Ref: RIC II, 40.
     
  14. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    I just remembered, I do have a coin with a missing chunk. It's not broken, but someone in antiquity was a little too vigorous doing a test cut on it...

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  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

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    THESSALY, Pherai
    Very Rare. Repaired. AR Hemiobol. 0.27g, 8.3mm. THESSALY, Pherai, circa 360s-350s BC. BCD Thessaly II 694; HGC 4, 563; Imhoof-Blumer 1908, p. 93, 277, pl. VI, 38; cf. Nomos 4, 1306 corr. O: Head of Ennodia right: R: Φ - E, hunting dog sitting right.
    Ex BCD Collection
     
  16. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Great stuff here - my kind of material. Here is Philip the Arab and an elephant, a big chunk missing, but most of Philip and most of the elephant are still there:

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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    MANY of these seem to have striking splits / breaks...
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    Samnium Aesernia AE21 263-240 BCE HN Italy 430 Vulcan - Biga


    Then, I found one not broken...
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  18. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    OOOHH some of those got to hurt. Especially that Nero. A friend of mine one bought a Constantine III siliqua put it into his back pocket, sat on it and broke into three pieces. After that every coin he got from me with a thin flan got "Don't sit on me !!" added to the description. It must have worked no more broken coins ( or he didn't fess up to any further misadventures)
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I never thought of myself as a condition snob but this thread makes me fess up. I am very forgiving of things that happened in manufacture, rather forgiving of things done in antiquity, slightly forgiving of damage from the centuries in the ground and very hard on coins damaged in the process of recovery and 'processing'. Time heals some ails in my mind. I can tolerate a coin removed from very old jewelry but have less interest in things done in modern times to 'improve' the coin (mounting, tooling, e.g.). Coins cut in half in antiquity to make change are not damaged as much as they are 'small' but still are never worth even a quarter of the whole coin, to me. Test cuts and banker's marks are part of life. Recently broken coins need some special circumstance to make me want them. We each will see these things differently.

    My favorite broken coin is a New Style Athenian fourree tetradrachm with all its secrets on full display.
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  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    That looks like a collector had a really bad day. I doubt it came out of the ground shattered like that.

    I’ve already spammed my broken coins too much in this forum, but here is my favorite because I repaired it myself!

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  21. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    As someone who loves collecting the rare late emperors (and the era in general), this hurt to read.
     
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