1943 s copper penny opinion

I only have the one photo to go on but I believe this is an altered 1942 cent. At some point someone scratched the obverse by the first T in TRUST and it looks copper. The top have of the 3 looks like a 2 and the bottom half looks like a 3 however it doesn't look like they are touching. Maybe it's the angle of the coin but that's what I see.

 

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is the R in TRUST backwards ??
or is that area tampered with considering you can see work in that area.
or just a few nicely placed hits?


1943 S Copper



Looks tooled, or a non-gratuitous hit.
maybe @Fred Weinberg for clarification

fyi, for future, you'll want to take pics from directly above so you eliminate perspective distortion on small sensor (cell phones), etc.

 

I took that R to be damaged.

 

@Clawcoins Thanks for the photos. It makes it easy to see the 2 and the 3, then compare that to the OP's coin. That's why it looks like an altered '42 to me but I'm not an expert.

 

It looks altered to me too. Like they chopped off the lower part of the 2 and moved the copper around. This thickness of the upper part of the 3 vs the 2 compared to his (looking like the 2). but Fred would know best.

would be good with a pic from directly above too @Magguss with better lighting.

 

Yeah I’ll try and get a better picture from him. Like I was saying it’s not my coin, but a buddy I’m trying to help with his US stamps, which is very strong. If anyone’s familiar with stamps they would know blocks of 4 Zeppelin and possible Z grills. This is an area that I’m not familiar with, lol. Send me some pictures of US stamps, I got you handled. I’ll try and have him bring it over and take some better pics or scan it, but I think the commences is fake.

 

Hmm. My OCD that has transitioned to developing an eye for things in my stamp collecting world has a problem when comparing the 3 to the 2.

The top half has more of an oval shape in the middle vs a more rounded shape of a 3.

I’m on my phone right now, so I can’t photo shop and edit for a comparison. I know, believe me I know, that it seems like I’m grasping for straws, but someone tell me I’m wrong about the arch of the top part of the number.

 

I agree so we can wait for Fred now.

 

Copper is so soft it's easy to move around. They get scraped really easily too and end up like someone threw them in a garbage disposal for an hour when they've only got run over by a car or two.

For instance, there so may TRUSY where the last "T" gets hit on the top and pushes the copper down making it look like a Y. So many newbies come here saying the US MINT *made* it that way when it wasn't.

There was also a large influx of fake, higher value coins from China. Some so intricate that it would fool only the most highly qualified people. Such as this => https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1797-s-139-large-cent-suspect-examples-and-initial-research.319271/

 

It has the fuzzy look of a Chinese fake. I will say that this coin is fake

 

...and the reverse rim and edge in pictured in post #20 make me skeptical as well.

Remember, you have a coin that has been extensively faked over the years, decent Chinese counterfeits are available on Alibaba, and the coin doesn't have a verifiable back story, such as being in an old collection or held by someone with links to the mint. To paraphrase the 14th century philosopher William of Ockham; the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. If you really think you have something, then you need to pony up the cash and send it to a TPG.

 

In 1943 the only "S" mint mark punch used for the Lincoln Cent was Mint Mark Style (MMS-005). This style punch was carried into the production for some of the 1944 cents. These are the only two years this punch was used for cents. a Clearer image of the mint mark would be helpful.

 

I have a 1943 s copper penny what you think?

 

Chinese manufacture, the rim is more like a proof coin, rather than a normal one. The Chinese have trouble with the rims. Here is my Chinese fake from Aliexpress.
Jim