1798 DBD Slabbed Counterfeit

My 1795DBD I posted is far better than the old ones and PCGS has confirmed their existence and if they can make 1795 ones look real, all the others would be no problem.

Ribbit

Ps: I am still looking for that article.

 

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EH?!?! If someone hasnt said it yet...Black is VERY common for old silver coins, toning turns black, most old coins if they havent been cleaned will have black tone...a person who can spot fakes should know this much

 

I, probably unlike you at this very moment, am at work and I have to work in-between and during writing. Those interruptions make it difficult to spend the time required to look for an article I thought I read (which I did say I read it somewhere, which left it open for error) and write whatever it is I'm writing and post it. There are even times it takes me several hours to write a simple post, just because I get interrupted with work.

I, unlike most people, am on call 24/7/52 and with everything else I try to do, while spending time "chatting" in here, I can make mistakes with what I say (write) but I usually go back and re-read what I said (wrote) earlier and correct it if I make a mistake and I do make mistakes. I got interrupted with that segment and posted it before reviewing it (my mistake) and when I got back, I reviewed it, briefly researched it, then posted the comment that you responded to.

I will waste no more time on this discussion until after NCS replies. If you want to talk coins, I'll talk coins but this has gone far enough and is a waste of time. I will continue to try and find the article I read (if it exists) and will post it or either correct what I said earlier and any other mistakes I may have made. I'm not perfect, but I am here to learn more about coins, not to fight.

Ribbit :smile

 

I know nothing of counterfeit coins BUT, the coin in question has the "8" in the date in a different position thant the 1797 and othehr coins that are provided as authentic.

Does that mean something?

 

So true! I once read an article online about mosquitos and it said that in order for them to reproduce, they had to have human blood. If that was true, then how do mosquitos exists where no humans exist? And how did they exist prior to us existing on this planet? Are they like a cross between geese and salmon? Fly several hundred miles to feast on humans, then fly several hundred miles back to the swamp to lay their eggs?

Mosquitos feed of any warm blooded (maybe even cold blooded) animal and it's that blood they need to reproduce, not just human blood.

Ribbit

Ps: This all is, of course, my opinion!

 

Both male and female mosquitoes are nectar feeders, but the female is also capable of haematophagy (drinking blood). Females do not require blood for survival, but they do need supplemental substances (like protein and iron) for the development and laying of their eggs.- Wikipedia

Not the #1 info site, but correct this time.

 

When the dates where punched into the dies, they were done by hand and subject to human error. This is the reason behind the various positions of numerals in dates, stars and letters on early federal coinage. Each die has unique PUP {pick up points} that knowledgeable collectors use, with the help of references if needed, to identify certain die marriages. Thus each die marriage has it's somewhat unique signature. This is simply put for the sake of time but, you are correct in that some of these subtleties can be used to distinguish between authentic or counterfeit pieces.

this is somewhat of an incomplete, brief explanation

 

If someone makes a copy of a real coin, wouldn't the uniqueness of that coin be transferred to the copy? Sort of like when the mint makes new dies they use that transfer machine (forgot it's name) to transfer the image off the original artwork piece, which engraves it into the die (or the thing that makes the die - still learning the terminology/process), in the process reducing the size. Why can't that same transfer machine be used to make a 1-to-1 replica of an existing coin, thereby, making practically an exact duplicate of it as a die for making other coins with?

Ribbit

Ps: If I'm "off" in my thinking above, then do you know what the counterfeiters are using to duplicate coins or the "hows" of their process, because they've graduated from making cast copies which are easier to spot?

 

I suspect that he is thinking about the Micro O Morgan dollars that escaped detection by PCGS for about 20 years.

 

Or, as he later posted:

Either way, I believe that misinformation was disseminated.

 

On this subject, here is a quote from the owner of a genuine PCGS coin in a genuine PCGS holder which was questioned by someone who had discovered a counterfeit example in a counterfeit PCGS holder:

 

One of my favorite sayings is "A little knowledge can be dangerous". This thread is a prime example of this.

 

Agreed, and I'm not at all surprised that we didn't get the definitive answer about the coin today, as advertised.

 

The answer is probably in the "article."

 

Weight: 416 grains, +-27,0 grams.

 

I see you are a former NGC Grader turned Dealer. So do you have some insight as to how slow NCS is to reply since I haven't heard back from them yet but and am patiently awaiting said reply?

Ribbit

Ps: Sure would have been nice if you would have been forthcoming with this fact about yourself in the beginning and I find it interesting you are the one making the remark above without disclosing this fact.

 

Just like when someone says something, without providing definitive proof to back it up, it's just their opinion?

Ribbit :goof: