1798 DBD Slabbed Counterfeit

Still want to make that bet? :kewl:

Ribbit

 

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If, from those books or by other means, a person can determine that a coin is genuine and has a decent grasp of grading, the concern about the holder it is encapsulated in becomes far less significant.

 

Sure.

 

As a note to this posting, it is possible for the two to have been slabbed at a different time and NCS changed their slabs during that time. Just thought I'd add this to the discussion, but the OP coin's reverse (slab) doesn't look right. I find it hard to believe that NCS would obscure their own name with their initials, which they didn't do on the other label?

Ribbit :smile

 

So, you are saying someone with an AWESOME authentic coin will have it slabbed in a counterfeit holder?

HUH? :goofer:

Ribbit :smile

Ps: As a note, the slab has still yet to be determined a counterfeit. Still awaiting word back from NCS.

 

Here's a slabbed coin from NCS (got it from their website for reference purposes) with the gold seal, similar to the two shown below (they now have purple seals):

 

What would be interesting is if the slab/coin on the left is real and the one on the right is the counterfeit, but that wouldn't surprise me considering how good the counterfeiters have become What will pull my chain is to find out they're both authentic.

Ribbit :smile

 

If you want to make a point, you might consider trying to do so without changing the words of the person you are responding to. I believe that my previous post was quite clear to anyne who chooses to read it with an open mind.

 

I agree with that, and even if the coin in question turns out to be a counterfeit.

 

Let's look at YOUR WORDS:

"If, from those books or by other means, a person can determine that a coin is genuine and has a decent grasp of grading, the concern about the holder it is encapsulated in becomes far less significant."

So, with the words you used, the correct order in determining whether a slabbed coin is fake is to examine a coin you can't even touch then when you think it's authentic, examine the slab? What kind of order is that? Once you think the coin is authentic, you won't be concerned about the slab because who slabs an authentic high-dollar coin in a counterfeited slab?

I would think (aka: IMO) the opposite order would work better with a slabbed coin. Determine if the slab is authentic first (specifically major grading company like NCS/NGC/PCGS - like the OP coin in question), then the coin's authenticity "becomes far less significant" (partially quoting you).

Ribbit :smile

 

Toadster, the slab could have a picture of a clown on it, for all I care.
My assessment was on the coin itself.

I've decided I do not care to wager that Morgan.
I'd feel bad.

 

Do you know the story of the Trade Dollars out of Hong Kong (some coin convention they had there) that faked out the Grading Companies for "some" time? I think the grading company people are highly trained, to the point they don't miss counterfeits yet they certified some fakes (read it somewhere and will try and find the article again). Who can say they are better qualified than those people? Maybe Busted Dime can but I can't, but I haven't a clue who Busted Dime is but I mean no disrespect to him with our discussion. I hope you and he both understand that?

Ribbit :smile

 

Please point us to a credible source and FACTS which show that highly regarded grading companies were "faked out" by (counterfeit) Trade Dollars for "some time"? Thank you. If you can't, you should retract your question/post on the subject.

 

I can't find that article. It may have just been dealers that were fooled by the fakes but I swear I read somewhere that a few made it past some grading company inspectors before they caught it.

Ribbit

 

I'm still looking.

Ribbit

 

The old fake Trade Dollars are kind of easy to spot.
There may be new "super-fakes", but the old ones were kind of a weak attempt.

 

Well, that is very different from what you first said and it appears to be another example of incorrect "information" from you. If so, it is irresponsible to make such assertions without having your facts straight.