Now That's A Tad Odd...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ken Dorney, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I was doing some research and came across this coin. While I have never specialized in Alexandrian types I have never seen anything like this (and scanning through Martin Price's work I did not see anything like it either but I might have missed something). Can anyone else see what makes me hesitant but explain why the weird and abnormal attributes might be considered normal or worthy of being genuine and thus slabbed?

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  3. shanxi

    shanxi Well-Known Member

    Looks like a half-brockage, if something like this is possible. But a brockage should be mirrored. Strange.
    Creative Tooling ??
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I don't understand. Where is this "half brockage"? What is unusual about this coin? At first the odd reflection of Zeus's garment (lacking the usual folds) as it stretches from his left knee to his right ankle confused my eye, but to me the reverse looks like a very nicely rendered almost 3/4 facing seated Zeus. I like it.

    As for the label, I have no idea if this is from AlexIII or if it a later issue. There are recent CNG sales with the same control marks which they attribute to Philip III Arrhidaios.
     
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  5. shanxi

    shanxi Well-Known Member

    Maybe it is the only lightning. But it looks like the lower right part of the reverse is incuse.
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Oh :D. Yeah, that's just a trick of the lighting and reflections.
     
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  7. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Is that Chinese lettering...
     
  8. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    yup, the P mintmark is for Peking
     
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  10. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

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  11. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    FWIW, the coin is properly listed at NGC (cert verification) so it is not a fake slab.
     
  12. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Zeus' six pack looks too well formed.
     
  13. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Looks incuse to me as well but certainly may be a trick of lighting and reflection as @TIF says. Even if that is the case everything below the ankles looks weird to me.
     
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  14. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    +1
     
  15. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I agree. I've never seen one where the ankles are covered.
    But I'm no expert. In fact, I'm still just a pert.
     
  16. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Found this one , also slabbed by NGC:

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  17. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    The style of Zeus, particularly his face, seems totally off to me. If you had posted this without any info and slab, I would have said fake reverse die without hesitation.
     
  18. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Alexander's Varieties are numberless.. Indeed such an original and superb coin.
     
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  19. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    I thought that it definitely looked incuse on the bottom right as well, but I now agree that it’s just an optical illusion from the lighting and reflection. When I zoomed in (see screenshot below), it no longer looks incuse to me.

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  20. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    I’m not second-guessing NGC here--they certainly have more experience with Hellenistic coinage.
     
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  21. Trish

    Trish Well-Known Member

    Good morning. I apologize for the novice question. Would you please explain why there's a mintmark from Peking? The NGC slab reads 'Kingdom of Macedon' with no mention of the Peking mintmark. Maps I look at don't show Alexander III's empire going as far as Peking/Beijing. I'm not doubting it, it's just my mind was blown when I saw the chinese characters. Again I'm a novice with ancients and appreciate any help in learning. :)
     
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