1798 DBD Slabbed Counterfeit

These are starting to pop up everywhere:

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/1798-SILVER...ryZ42726QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Ribbit :smile

 

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How can you tell?

 

Read this:

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=35346

Look at the "skin" of the coin. Too porous looking.

Ribbit :smile

Ps: It appears to be a 1798 Heraldic Eagle Bolender-27 variety

 

Sorry, I have to disagree.
It looks fine to me.

 

Have you seen what the counterfeitors do to hide the porous surface? They "burn" the surface. Look for BLACK on the coin!!!!!!!!!!!!

Black is not a natural silver coin color.

Ribbit :smile

If you still feel it is not a counterfeit, I have a nice 1795 DBD I'll sell you really cheap:

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=35346

 

I see a coin that NCS could have done a little better job of cleaning on.
But, maybe the gunk was too imbedded.
Note that the dark color is in all those nice little tight areas that are tough to clean.
On a coin of this magnatude, I'd imagine they decided to leave those bits, rather than devalue the coin.

It is noted as scratched and polished, too.

Have there been sightings of fake NCS slabs ?

 

I'm no authority... but if that's a counterfeit, it's a darn good one.

 

Read this:

http://www.biddlesbank.com/id8.html

And this:

http://www.cointalk.org/showthread.php?t=35289&highlight=chinese

Ribbit :smile

 

Here is the one we discussed earlier and determined it is a counterfeit.

 

If the pits were throughout the fields of the original coin in question, I'd agree with you.
But, the fields are clean and the pitting is near the crevaces where the contaminates were.
The rims on the original coin blow away the one in the above post.

I also know that there are fake NGC slabs and that NCS slabs are the same, but if a crook were trying to pass one off I'd think they'd put it in an NGC to get a few extra bucks.

Just my opinion.
These are not my area of expertice, but I thought I'd chime in for fun.

 

If you think about it, NCS cleans coins prior to slabbing and NGC doesn't. Which one would you not think aything about being cleaned prior to slabbing, because the coin currently shows signs of damage and probably needed cleaning to show off the details better?

Don't think the counterfeitors are stupid!

Ribbit :smile

Ps: There isn't a single "field" on the obverse that couldn't have been cleaned by NCS properly. This coin was not cleaned by NCS and all it takes to understand this is to look at the coins they display on their website and how good they look after they clean/fix them. I have emailed them so I will keep you posted as to what they say. They should keep pictures on file and can easily reference them to see if it is the coin they slabbed or not.

 

Cool...

They should be able to run that number pretty quick.

 

This looks like a counterfeit to me. Althought never seen any 17xx anything. The 1798 date numbers do not line up as I would expect and are uneven.

 

Date looks funny to me also as does the rest of the coin.

 

That is actually how they really look:

http://www.coinfacts.com/silver_dol..._eagle_and_shield_silver_dollar_varieties.htm

Ribbit :smile

 

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln

 

Since you seem to know what you're talking about, then what about the 1795 DBD posted here also? In your opinion, is it a counterfeit?

Ribbit :smile

Ps: Are you aware of the new counterfeits coming out of China recently? They are nothing like the old Trade Dollars, which could easily be identified as counterfeits.

 

The 1798 certainly looks genuine to me. The fact that there are a lot of counterfeits being offered (both in and out of holders, these days) doesn't change that.

Edited to add: Your thread title is unfair to the seller/owner of the coin, particularly since you stated something as a fact, not a question. And in this case, I believe you are mistaken.

 

The title is purely an opinion, just as your words are. The coin looks like a counterfeit to me and doesn't to you:

You got your peanut butter in my chocolate.
You got your chocolate in my peanut butter.

Who's right and who is not right or are we both right & not right?

If I am wrong, I will appologize and tomorrow NCS should let us know. Either way, we will all learn from this and that's what this site is all about.

Ribbit,
Toad :smile

Ps: The PCGS slabbed DBD I found on Ebay and "we" reported to PCGS (I reported it as did several others), was yanked within a few hours and the seller was banned from Ebay, so we got that slabbed counterfeit off Ebay and if this one is also a counterfeit, we'll get it removed too but if it's real, the sale can continue unabated.

Ribbit - Ribbit - Ribbit

 

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln