Wouldn't it be interesting if they found Trajan Decius like they found Richard III of England?

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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  3. dougsmit

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    Is their evidence that he was buried? Lost in swamp is not a death conducive to formal burial. More modern people value recovery of remains. Augustus valued recovery of the standards lost by Varus. Many Romans cremated. Who buried Decius?
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    They must have something that makes them think they can do it.

    I'd be surprised if they did, though, for the reasons you mentioned.

    Even if they found the burial, there might be nothing left of the physical remains, but any provably associated artifacts could be interesting indeed.
     
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  5. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That was a pretty interesting read. I just passed through Trajan Decius on "The History of Rome" podcast a few days ago. I also picked up my first Trajan Decius last week at the Baltimore coin show :)

    Trajan Decius
    AR Antoninianus
    Obverse: IMP TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG, radiate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: ADVENTVS AVG, emperor on horseback left with raised hand & scepter
    Trajan Decius Antoninianus.jpg
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Mike Duncan's THoR podcast is epic!
     
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  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    It is! I'm getting near the end though and not sure what I will do next.
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    There is always his Revolutions podcast, or The History of Ancient Greece, or some of the Byzantine History podcasts...

    Dan Carlin's Hardcore History... David Crowther's History of England...

    Punic Nightmares and Death Throes of the Republic are older Dan Carlin Hardcore History series that are behind a paywall now, but worth it.

    His three-part Kings of Kings series about the Persians is with the more recent stuff that's still free to listen to.

    Enjoy!
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    @lordmarcovan I've listened to most of Dan Carlin's stuff. That's what got me hooked on podcasts. I went from him over to History of Rome. Perhaps I will check out the History of Greece one since I don't know too much about ancient Greece. Looks to be pretty long, 100 episodes at around an hour a piece. Should be interesting.
     
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  11. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    The corpse was most likely looted in the battlefield and buried in a rush. I really doubt you're going to find a corpse with gold crown or diamonds that can be identified as a dead emperor.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Sure, that's not going to happen, and the remains are likely long gone. There might not be - in fact likely is not - any treasure, but the artifacts could be fascinating, and who knows what story they might tell.

    I learned a saying from one archaeologist: "It's not what you find. It's what you find out."

    To them, a rusty nail, some seashells, or a pig bone with cut marks on it can prove to be more valuable than a gold aureus, if those items provide the right new information. But I think even most archaeologists would admit to being bedazzled if an aureus did turn up.
     
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  13. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    My assumption would be that he was cremated in Roman fashion, but who knows. Interesting...
     
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Truth be told, I'm a lot more interested in the potential artifacts than in the bones of ol' TD himself, but I find all this stuff fascinating.

    Archaeology has always been my favorite topic to geek out on, aside from numismatics, of course.
     
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  15. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I agree. Finding relics from a specific documented battle from history would be incredible, just like the finds from the site of poor old Varus' demise some years back.
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Exactly! Like that cool helmet that @Eduard uses for an avatar. I think that was found on the Teutoberg battlefield where Varus met his fate.
     
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  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    It would be great if they could find the site of the battle. It would be like the find at the Harzhorn and the site of the hillside battle between Maximinus Thrax and the Germans. My guess is TD was cremated but if not, perhaps he was preserved in a boggy swamp because of the low oxygen conditions. Don't know what kind of grave goods would be therein.

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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Sharp coin.
    According to the article, they identified the site in 2016.

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    The field near the town of Dryanovets in Northeast Bulgaria where the Battle of Abritus between Rome and the Goths took place 1768 years ago. The battleground was identified only in 2016. Photo: TV grab from BNT
     
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  19. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    If Trajan Decius drowned in a swamp there is a small chance his body changed into a bog body, like the 4th Century BC Tollund man found in a swamp in Denmark. Thousands of bog bodies were found all over Europe dating from 8000 BC untill soldiers of WW2.

    Tollund man.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog_body
     
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  20. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Zosimus described this history in a very interesting way. Decius would first have completely defeated two groups of Goths. A third group came from the swamp. Trebonianus gallus advised Decius to approach them in the swamp. But Decius and his army sank into the mud. and then they were all killed. It would be interesting if they could discover whether this description of the battle is correct.
     
  21. Erhan

    Erhan Active Member

    This is a very interesting topic! I am all in when the archeologists try to find past emperors burial sites. As for Richard III I watched the documentary it was one of the most fascinating documentaries I ever watched and I recommend everyone to watch this. The way they proved it was him was by Genetic analysis and they were lucky enough they found one and only one single descendants of him living in UK. It was a great detective work was done for this. However, I doubt this can be done for kings like TD for few reasons. Even if they find the burial and skeleton, To prove it was TD and not a soldier or general died in battle, They would need to extract a healthy DNA and then have somehow the descendants tree that can be traced to a living person today in order to match the DNA and come to solid conclusion this is very remote possibility IMO.

    But on the other side, I would be much more fascinated if they put some effort to find the body and burial site of Genghis Khan . He was much more iconic person and his time line is not as far back as TD so it would have much higher possibility to achieve.
     
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